Ask HN: How do I give back to people helped me when I was young and had nothing?

Focus less on those who helped you, and more on helping others.

The first time I went to Defcon, I felt lonely and lost -- it was the first year they had those cool electronic badges, and at the time they were only given out as entrance tokens for an exclusive party that was the talk of the con.

I didn't really "know" anyone there -- like a lot of young hackers, I was part of one of those vBulletin board hacker crews that have been lost to time and I'd exhausted the meager savings I had built up that summer on my plane ticket and hotel room at the Riviera.

A lot of people who had expense accounts were going out to nice places for dinner -- the guy with per diem would get drinks, the guy who had to itemize, and me, the guy trying to get a group together to visit that cool looking dive bar next to Bally's kept getting laughed at and called a newbie...

Then none other than Dan Kaminsky[1] strolls up, tells me he knows who I am (!) and heard I'd been asking about the ninja party, tells me he can't get me in but he knows a room party. Shows me a room next to the pool with a keg in the bathtub, I threw them a five and we sat around talking until late in the night. They had some good tips on cheap places to eat, how to get free drinks at the penny slots, that sort of thing.

And then, every year since that I visited, I did what he did... wander the convention looking for the budget travel crew, the folks who don't do it for a salary and whom this is their reality, and I'd take them on a quest for two dollar hot dogs, show them the little store next to the dive bar where they could stock up on beer and liquor and ice and then disappear into the night like some kind of helpful spirit of the hacker night.

Anyways... long, profuse thank yous are not needed. What you should do is make sure you keep the gates open that were not gatekept for you. Be the person who connects others, in ways that you can't always list on your CV.

[1] Rest in power

As others have indicated: I think many people who show others "incredible kindness and inspiration" would value you doing the same for others more than anything you could probably do for them. However, simply telling them "you were incredibly kind to me and you are a big reason for me trying to be kind to others" might just make their day.

You never heard the phrase "pay it forward?"

The gratitude is good and correct, but they did not do it for any kind of return from you. What they wanted most was for you to turn around and do the same thing for others.

Or not even that, just make good productive use of what they gave you. Merely having a job that does something in any way useful to society and doesn't actively harm others is good enough. But if you do go a bit further and be generous with your own time and consideration to others, even better.

If you feel this way to even write this post, then helping someone else with their problem probably comes naturally already and you don't even have to do anything you don't already naturally like to do and are probably already doing.

I came from a pretty terrible situation, and by the time I was 17, was living on my own, in the local housing authority apartments. In high school, a local businessman, who later became mayor, helped me out. I was on the debate team, and needed a suit, so he took me shopping, and not only bought the suit, but an entire wardrobe and other assistance. We communicated off and on as I went into college etc (he passed a few years later)

He told me that when I was successful, to do the same.

My best friend is spending 100 days writing hand written letters of love to those who contributed to her life’s journey. There’s humanity and connectedness with writing that no other medium offers both the writer and the reader. Her writing has been received with such love, tears of joy, and mutual appreciation. This includes book authors that she’s found herself meaningfully influenced and inspired by. She’s half way through the project, and I’m sure she’d be happy to connect if you’d like any tips.

One big tip is make sure your hands are ready with the proper pen and hand exercises.

I have a goal of writing a thank you note a month to people who have helped me. (Reminds me, I need to do that this month.)

The folks I've done this for were pleasantly surprised, both by the note and the contents of it. They'd forgotten how they helped me, which makes sense, because it was a big deal for me but not for them.

A physical note, reminding them of the help they gave you, is a great way to say thanks.

People might not remember things that made such a difference to you and a Thank You will mean a lot. Also maybe if you lost touch with some, maybe now that you are older and without a work or other hierarchy to get in the way, you could be friends. I have seen this a few times.

Quit worrying about helping those that helped you in particular. If you have the opportunity and means to express gratitude, then go for it, but otherwise just pay it forward to the next person that comes along that you can help.

I've helped a number of people in what I think are pretty significant ways, and I've thought about what I'd say in response to them asking how they could repay me. All I'd say is, "pay it forward".

I've had plenty of incredible mentors help me without expecting anything in return. And thus, I shall do the same for those that I cross paths with for whom I can help. I suggest you do the same.

Pay it Forward. And ask Nothing in Return. If you believe you got "x" then give "10x" and more.

You pay it forward to younger people. I'm sure that's what many of the people who helped you were doing.

Help others that were in your situation

I tithe. I don't mean that in a religious sense at all, but it's the way I pay my community back for that support. It's also not just in terms of money -- I count time volunteering and mentoring as part of tithing. It's also not repaying the people who helped me directly, but I don't think that's the important part. The way you pay them back is to "pay it forward" and do for others as those people have done for you.

Since they invested their time in you, I would suggest that you give back in kind. Call them, send them a note, email/text, etc. It is easier than ever to keep in touch with people now-a-days. Meet them in person if they are open to that and you are able to.

If some of these mentors are retired, I'm sure they would love to hear from a former protege/student/mentee. Watching my dad after his retirement, he always enjoys these interactions with his former colleagues -- talk about their profession or department. Made his day/week in most cases. Retirement can be professionally lonely sometimes.

I've actually thought of having a big dinner for all of the managers I've had over the years that were helpful in getting me to where I am today.

That being said, even a handwritten note or phone call to say "I just wanted to say that at X time in my life, you did Y and it was amazing at the time and helped me get to where I am now" goes a LONG way.

I would go a step further, or to the side, than others have indicated in terms of paying it forward, and suggest doing everything in your power to remain humble, and ideally donate your time (and money if you have an extreme surplus) to people who aren't necessarily just in your field. Spend time making real solid friends in your community, and help them with whatever you can in the ways that they've (not you, unless they are looking for help identifying solutions) identified they need help with. I try to make myself available for helping with random computer issues, buggy old WordPress installations, whatever, whenever I realistically can, and just try to be a welcoming presence and friend. In addition to all the stuff in my field I can do, like helping aspiring juniors get a footing.

Send a note. The director of my old lab was essentially a proxy father for me for nearly 10 years, and inspired me to take my life and career more seriously, which I did. Work was not the only thing, but life. I took up running because I looked up to him in my 20s, I remember seeing him and thinking "wow, this guy is in his mid 40s and looks great!" Tell them. His wife told me in secret that it made him so happy he cried.

If it was a long time ago that they helped you, some of them may be old. The very old are often isolated and in need of company and other forms of help. If that sounds like the folks who helped you, I’m sure just checking in with them would mean a lot.

I felt this deeply. I don’t have much material to give back, but I recently released a free, open-source AI prompt engine (WFGY) that helps people use LLMs to actually think better — like a silent mentor you can test ideas with. It’s my way of giving back the tools I wish I had when I was stuck.

"Pay it forwards" is the general advice here, and I think it is generally correct in the macro/social sense.

Although not completely analogous, helping people is similar to gifting. In gifting societies, we don't give to someone with the expectation of a direct benefit in return (A -> B, B -> A). Instead, it's more of a long arc that goes around a corner and returns in an indirect sense (A --> B --> C --> ... --> A).

When you layer time succession in, helping others progresses more like the circle of life. It often doesn't make sense to give back directly — your professors are already at the peak of their careers — but we can give back to society. In doing so, we increase the resonance of the gift that was given.

Often, the role of the receiver is simply to receive. On the other hand, Tuesdays with Morrie is a book that speaks to a gentler form of directly giving back to elders as they age.

I agree with a lot of the comments that (1) giving heartfelt thanks (which you can do more than once over the years) and (2) being there to help them if they ever need it and (3) paying it forward is the best you can do.

You could throw money at it or try to make big gestures but to the people that helped you just knowing how much it meant to you is the best reward.

OP, you don't necessarily have to give back to the same people that helped you. You can help others in need, and that good karma always stays.

For example, if you have $100 to spare every month, find charity organizations local to your area, or even international ones like Unbound that help small kids around the world get access to healthy food, basic education and good health.

Also think about people within your network that are struggling - while money solves a lot of problems, sometimes it is time and effort you can also invest instead. If you can think about any of those people try to figure things out and help them move a couple of steps forward in their lives.

If any of those people that helped you do not need any help, wait for the day when they ask for it or look for it. They will be really happy to see you doing something for them on that day.

Every now and again when the time seems right I message people who have helped me. Especially in the opensource world which can be incredibly hostile to the devs. Just say "thank you for your work".

More than once the reply has been "What do you need?". So I feel it is important to give thanks at those times where you really need nothing from them.

Like so many others have said...do your best to give back and pay it forward. Sometimes all it takes is time to talk.

I personally have had several people who have given me far more help than I ever expected (or possibly deserved). The only thing I can do is attempt to do the same for others.

Time goes fast. Sometimes if you hesitate to give thanks you miss the opportunity.

Saying "thank you" and paying it forward is all the recognition anyone needs.

The many people that helped you were in their own small way trying to make the world a better place through you. They were not expecting anything in return.

> I feel like I owe something more direct to the specific people who shaped my life.

> How do you meaningfully give back to people who helped you early on

Pay it forward is the popular answer here, and a good one. To me, it's a bit limiting and maybe it's why you feel a debt in your life. It's chasing a phantom transaction, to level a balance but there is no score.

I take the approach of "being the person I want to see in the world", and that person is made up of all the people that have shown me kindness, took a chance on me, or otherwise showed grace. It's also made up of the person I wished had been there for me at times. The key is deciding who that person is for you though; some people want to be like the flashy "influencers" that they like to see in the world (on sm) and will act accordantly.

Instead of thinking about how to balance the debt, make the -- sometimes inconvenient -- effort of choosing each day to incorporate the positive parts of the people you feel gratitude toward. Then you end up doing/being many different positive things, big and small, for all types of people -- naturally (not seeking it out) -- the same way many of the people most likely did when they helped you. After all, if 'imitation is the sincerest form of flattery,' then I would argue that incorporating the positive behaviours or traits of those who have made an impact into who you are becoming is the sincerest form of gratitude.

"Pay it forward" I think is the saying.

A lot of mentors helped me when I was completely lost, and at that stage I really had nothing to give back. Later, I just focused on doing my best, trying to make sure what they taught me actually got used, so their time wasn’t wasted. Every now and then I share some progress with them, and they always seem happy to hear it. And now I try to help the next group of people who are going through the same phase I once did.

This is question about life style, not money.

And money is not tightly coupled to give back, that is main trouble but also it is relief.

In many cases, with adequate humans, you could pay with some service or give some collectibles instead of money.

So main question, you should know human with which you made transaction and better if you have powerful soft skills, so you could hear what is really valuable for your party.

Good example - you could buy some rare tickets and give to your party. Or in my country once considered good to gift good puppy (for this you sure should know best breeder(s)).

For this is good book "ask your mother", but sure, you should train these skills very seriously, so your party will not got bored while you will negotiate (in some cases better to ask some third party, what is valuable for person).

Good side, with some experience you will become very powerful, so will literally exchange paper clip to house.

PS and don't forget main marketing principle - for success value of what you will give to human should be larger for him than he given to you. Larger don't mean magnitudes larger, in many cases even one dollar (or one good letter, or good public reply to his post), could be enough, but as I said - value depends on internal values of person, so you should really know him very good.

Do the same for others, and mention your mentors whenever appropriate.

When I was young, one of the things my mentor taught me is that the older people get, the more they think about their legacy. They want to believe they made a lasting difference. So, one of the best gifts you can give them is to say "you made a difference, what you taught me stays with me all the time, and you would never believe me if I told you how many people besides me have benefited from it."

You don't. You pass it forward

Give to givers.

Beware of takers when attempting to pay-it-forward.

Also beware of the pattern where: some people that give struggle to accept anything.

Talk to the people that helped you! Don't assume they don't need help from you now, because a lot of people put up a brave front

When I was a 13 year old precocious nerd, I had a friend who was a few years older than me who sort of took me under his wing. I don't know what he ever saw in me, but he took the time to introduce me to FreeBSD and Linux. He helped me on my way to writing my first bits of useful code. Helped me out with networking issues. Introduced me to some great FOSS minds. He quickly became a big shot in the open source community.

I was never good at reciprocating that friendship and kindness. I had a shitty situation at home, I had zero money and very little agency. But I always deeply appreciated all he did for me. I try to pay it forward when I can (and have a soft spot for precocious nerds).

Reading this thread, and writing this reply, is making me realise I need to put in more of an effort. Thank you, @jupiterglimpse, for reminding me of this.

I agree with the advice about paying it forward, but it's not mutually exclusive with showing gratitude.

Express gratitude now in the simplest way possible (like an email or a letter) than later after deliberating the best course of action. You can always do something nicer later.

I founded Eksi Sozluk, the most popular social platform from Turkey for the last 25+ years, partly because I was heavily inspired by Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series. I sent him an email about the web site when it started becoming popular, thanking him for "all the fish". He was also working on a similar, albeit a more strictly edited, web site called h2g2.com at the time. He never replied to me, and passed away a year later or so. I find comfort in assuming that he had read my email, just didn't bother to reply. I'm so glad that I was able to reach out to him before he was gone.

Similarly, Fred Brooks passed away soon after I asked his permission about quoting him in my book Street Coder. He had replied about how I didn't need his permission for that. The permission thing was a publisher requirement, but it was also my admiration for Fred that made me reach out to him. So, despite his short lesson on fair use, I love that kind of personal interaction with him, and hoping that he felt something like how his contributions affected every random corner of computer science, more than he thought before he passed away. Again, I'm so glad that I reached out to him in time.

When Street Coder came out, I sent signed copies to the people who had helped me along the way. I know they would never read the book as they weren't the target audience. But, I think the book epitomizes the result of their understanding, kindness, and generosity that made an English author out of a high school graduate self-taught programmer from Turkey. It was the perfect greeting card and very well received.

Not saying you should write a book per se, but let them see their impact, show them what you achieved. Do it now.

- You show them your success, even share it with them if you can and thank them for their contributions towards it.

- If they ask or signal for your help you offer it and accept their decline if they don't need it.

- You pay it forward and compound the the exponential growth of their good actions.

I’m in the same boat. None of the people who helped me expect or need anything I can offer them, but I’m surrounded by people who need a break, need a leg up, need guidance and training. I take mentees, I continually improve my training materials, I employ and refer my mentees. I accept other people’s referrals. (Put the word out and you’ll get referrals)

I try to comport myself in an honorable manner. I try not to be a dick as much as possible. I try to share the lessons I have learned with people who haven’t yet made my mistakes. (Including children of friends)

I try to be a good example for everyone else to follow.

And at a certain point you have to come to terms with the fact that you’ll never even the scales but you take comfort from the fact that you tried.

Keep playing it forward.

As we grow in our careers, the most lasting impact often comes not from what we do ourselves, but from how we help others grow. We all remember the mentors who gave us their time — now it’s our turn to be that person.

It gets harder with seniority. More meetings, less hands-on work, and less time to guide those doing what we used to. But that support is still just as needed — maybe more so.

When we don’t pass on what we’ve learned, teams lose valuable knowledge. Not out of neglect, but because we didn’t make time to teach. That disconnect can quietly erode quality and morale.

So make time. Explain the “why,” not just the “what.” Give feedback that helps people grow. It adds up — and it’s how we leave something meaningful behind.

By paying it forward. If you come across someone who is in a similar situation then help them out.

I've tried to help young struggling people over my career, because I was a young struggling person early in my career who also had help.

Pay it forward, don't pay it back. I don't even want gratitude in most cases and never expect loyalty, I'm satisfied if they turned out successful. I just want them to help others and keep the karma moving forward.

When I do connect again with my helpers and/or those people I've helped, we're suddenly part of a greater family and lineage of helpers than would ever be possible if it was just paid back.

I'd start with saying "thank you" :-)

Give back to others who are in your position as you were when young.

I always go through every cold contact email or message from any university student who messages me out of the blue, simply because a McKinsey Senior Managing Partner took the same chance for me. He even recommended me to the McKinsey recruiting, even though I was ridiculously off-cycle, even though my profile was kinda shit lol, just after one meeting. But because of him, I got my first exposure to whiteshoe recruiting (eventually joined a place where McK people dream of going to). So now I give back the opportunity to anyone who asks me politely for a meeting or for advice.

Always keep in touch with them.

Create a private network with them via whatsapp or community

Understand what these people are upto now and think how you can help them with your knowledge

Share current trends with them, current developments with them as they might be unaware about contemporary advancements

Share your career growth with them

These above basic humane things that you can do to your mentors!

In my case, it wasn't really about the career path, as much as the "life" path. I have had people constantly helping me, for the last 44 years.

Giving back isn't difficult. I'm a member of an organization that gives me ample opportunity.

I had some great personal relationships, while I was at my various jobs, and some folks gave me real trust and empowerment, but I basically earned that. I appreciated the chances, and usually paid them back in short order.

The other stuff ("life"), was not so advantageous for the helpers. They helped me, because it was their job. I help others, because it's my job.

1. Do favors for them where you can, based on your strengths (and perhaps their weaknesses.)

2. Pay it forward by doing the same for someone younger. That's probably the main thing your helper wants: to continue their help "blood line".

I had a few crucial people boost me in my youth. And I did the same for some younger people. My messaging to them was not to pay me back with favors, but to continue the thing.

But yeah, they've helped me in a pinch a few times and I've really appreciated it.

It's handy to be in a situation where you have a lot more skills and experience and wisdom, but they are much more intelligent.

I’ve been in a position to get and give help many times in my life. Paying people back doesn’t do much. Paying people forward creates genuine impact. At points in your life, you will be in a place to help others. Help them. If they pay it forward too, kindness becomes a growing movement.

It’s kind of embarrassing for me when people come out of my past to thank me. Honestly, I don’t always remember what I did. It’s not fun having to say phrases like “well, I’m glad I did that thing I did” when I know it’s meaningful to the other person.

Pay it forward.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_It_Forward_(film)

Early on, there were people who gave me their time and trust even when I had nothing. That made a big difference in my life.

Now I try to give back in my own way. I focus on doing my work well and being there when someone needs to talk. These aren’t big things, but over time I think they matter. Sometimes just being present and willing to listen means more than we realize.

It's incredible how many folks are saying to pay it forward when OP specifically ask about paying it back (the fwd is addressed in the initial prompt).

Call them, write letters, specifically tell them how they influenced you. My MIL was a teacher and 10 years ago she received a call from a pupil (now a middle age man) and he talk with her about how much she influenced him. It has been 10 years from the call, but it's one of her favourite souvenirs.

>> While I always express gratitude and try to pay it forward, I often feel there's still an imbalance. I feel like I owe something more direct to the specific people who shaped my life.

This is the beauty and ache that comes with growing up. This is a good thing. I agree with so many others in this thread that the best thing you can do is help others at this point.

You're going to realize that's the position those people that helped you were in: they made a choice to help you.

Dropping someone who did a lot for you - and you may not have realized it at the time but now you do - a note out of the blue is a wonderful thing to do. Especially if it is carefully written. Megabonus for paper note although in the career field you may not know where they are at, so email is best.

I've done it throughout my career for one manager, and few peers. It was wonderfully fun and much appreciated.

Great Ask HN question

Tell people you love them. It's very hard for some people to do but those three words are pound-for-pound the most asymmetrically positive words you can tell another.

I asked myself this same question years ago. And then I asked the mentor who had built me up — he told me to do the same for others. And so I did. And now there’s a group of people out there whose lives are better because their careers are better, and if I can take pride in anything that I’ve done in my life, it’s that. (And when they ask, I just tell them to pay it forward.)

The baton is passed forward, not backward.

Prove that they were right by making the same attitude yours.

That's the best gratitude to be received. Especially when you are not young anymore. Proving that what you did was not in vain but it had a good impact on people and it will outlast you.

I know I commented already, but your posting really just gave me a bit of hope for the human race. For the past several years, I thought humanity had died. Your heart is in the right place. You actually don't need to worry so much about it, because it appears that you're the kind of person who will do the right thing and you'll know when you've crossed that bridge.

I'm not good at this at all, but if you do want to thank people that helped you, and let them know what it meant to you, don't leave it too late. I've had one regret after another as people who were significant in my early life died and I didn't get the chance to let them know what they meant to me.

Spend time with them.

Nothing you can buy them will give them the same satisfaction as you actually showing them how much you appreciate it by returning to their lives and have a good time and thanking them for what they did and how much it affected your life.

I remember when I was first learning development this random guy from a PHP forum would skype me and help me with my code. Now that I've been in the industry for a while I give back by helping other people. Although thankfully there are a lot of people already that do that eg. some subreddit dedicated to a programming language.

Be kind to people and help others if you can. Spend time with them.

I did pay my grand mother back for course books and things she paid for (the Pell Grant only went so far), but I also tried to visit her when I could. I think the visits meant more than the money. I wish I had had time to visit her more often. Now I can't.

hello,

why not somehow try to "replicate that experience" you had?

eg. help / mentor young(er) people who have "nothing" / are early in their careers right now!?

this is what i at least tried to do ... :)

just my 0.02€

Find opportunities to say “thank you” to those who helped you, and then pass it on to the next generation.

For your mentors? Write them a letter expressing your gratitude.

For yourself? Determine how you can be that person for others.

I've been on both sides of this equation, so I'll give my opinion on the giver side.

When I invest my time and work into someone who is struggling, the investment I am making is in the success of that person. The payoff is seeing that person succeed.

As someone with the luck of having mentored many people, it makes me happy to see they are doing well and making an effort to share what they have received (e.g., through volunteering or mentoring others). That's all the gratitude I want.

Perhaps a bit taboo, but I always liked Kevin Spacey's take on this:

"If you’ve done well, it’s your obligation to spend a good portion of your time sending the elevator back down."

Help others in the same way they helped you. Pull people up.

As a professor myself, your gratitude is more than enough. In some way, your great success is a bit of ours, and that is what makes our success great too: integration. I would not worry but a mail some time is very welcome indeed.

Write them a letter. No amount of money or charity will make it feel whole - it might make it worse. But a detailed letter from the heart will close the gap you feel - and the receiver will be extremely happy.

It's the same as the love and work your parents gave to you. You don't have to retrieve them all, just pay forward, be the vehicle of the people who helped you to make the world a better place :)

If you are wealthy, perhaps set up a donor advised fund in their name. Let them do more good in the world, give to causes they contribute. Especially as folks age this is a way to get meaning.

One thing about the great advice to "pay it forward" is that it only applies to good things.

If someone has wronged you, you don't wrong someone else in turn.

But you can try to help others not be wronged in that way.

Help out others like they helped you and spend time with them. Every teacher and mentor I've ever had always enjoyed seeing the fruits of their labor. Just grab a lunch or a coffee with them and catch up.

1. Make a list of those who helped you

2. Get their contact details

3. Send them money.

Touching base to say thanks for the support during younger, harder days is nice, but nothing talks quite like a cash gift when it comes to thanks.

the best "payment" is often just updating them on how their help changed your trajectory. a simple message years later saying "that advice you gave me led to X" means everything

also - helping the next person who reminds you of your younger self. pay it forward instead of trying to pay it back directly. most mentors get more satisfaction from seeing the ripple effect than getting something back personally

You have to pay it forward.

Although nowadays there's just so much material and resources available to learn on your own compared to years before.

Oh man, I really wanted to thank Len Johnson, but I moved very far away, then he passed. I mean, I did thank him, but I would have liked to do it again.

Since you are already paying it forward, I would write a thank you message to those people. Tell them how their help improved your life.

Let them know that their example made you kind, inspirational and invested in the success of those who are like you were all this time ago.

> Ask HN: How do I give back to people helped me when I was young and had nothing?

Give also to young people who are young and have "nothing".

Contribute financially to open source projects.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/What_Men_Live_By

Focusing on personal favours in exchange for personal favours seems quite archaic. That's literally reinventing the wheel from many thousands of years ago, with, for example, offerings to the dead quite literally seen as payments of debt to them.

I think if someone helped you, just try to let them know how much it meant. Then pay it forward to someone who needs it.

Be good to your neighbor and try to mentor the motivated. Inculcate the same lessons they gave you in others.

I asked something like this about a childhood teacher that really made a difference in my life when I felt particularly bad and alone. I tried to find the guy to thank him years later and learned that he had passed away.

The answer that really moved me is that those people in your life do what they do because it brings them joy, and they do not expect anything in return. That’s what makes people great - their reward is the work. The way to pay them back is to share those values.

Maybe that means giving someone a break, or supporting organizations that support people in similar situations. Think small - help people not non-profits.

For the specific people, perhaps just get in touch with them and start a conversation. Figure out what they are working on and help them in some way. Or not. At the end of the day, their friendship and mentorship was the important thing. Build that relationship where you can.

Just say words. It's a good start. I have waited too long and a lot of those people are dead now, alas.

Do what they did for you to someone else. Then say thank you and tell them about what inspired you to do.

I feel like this question itself is a gift.

Just pay it forward. Give back to those around you in immediate need instead. Like politics, charity should be local.

Just call them, invite them to a drink/dinner and tell them what you fell. You'll make their day.

As an older engineer:

I give my help. I don't lease it. I don't rent it. I don't keep an IOU sheet.

It is given freely, with no expectation other than that it might help the individual involved.

I hope some of them go on to be better than me, because they got to rest on my shoulders for a moment before finding the next giant's to climb on.

I'm happy to hear when they do what I do, and help young engineers, but I have no expectation of that. Nor should I.

What I give as a mentor, is given freely. No strings attached.

You find someone young who needs the same chances that were given to you.

Have you tried mentoring someone else perhaps? Pass it on

Mentorship. Angel Investing. Supporting your friends.

I believe we were created by a creator that is a triune god that is constantly self giving. As we were made in the image of God, our deepest joys are found in serving and helping others.

Focus on sacrificing time and resources for others and “pay it forward”.

the best people who helped you never expected anything in return. i believe showing gratitude through genuine friendship is one of the most honest things you can do

Help others until the help you've received means nothing. :)

Maybe talk with them. If they are in need, then do your thing.

Try helping more people just like someone helped you!

The answer is in your question:

Help those that are young and have nothing.

I started my career journey straight out of undergrad in a completely new state 700 miles from my undergraduate institution and 1300 miles from where I grew up. I knew no one and knew little. I made my way through job-hopping and hard work.

As I developed my professional network, I worked hard to keep contacts over the years and through many jobs. As I continued my upward trajectory I never forgot those who I met along the way and have hired several of them at multiple companies I have worked at over the years with one following me to 4 total companies over the course of 15+ years. I have done this with several others since.

In addition, I try and help everyone I worked with on current challenges in their current roles and/or trying to aid them in finding new ones; either by exercising my extensive professional network and/or giving them advice from the standpoint of my being a hiring manager.

The most important and impactful item IMO, however, is that I will give ANYONE and EVERYONE, known or not known, help when they ask for anything. From those in HS looking for advice on career and degree programs, to internships, to jobs in the real world. This is what I never had. My father is as blue collar as they come and wasn't able to aid me here; my mother worked relatively menial office and retail jobs and thus they were no help in this way to me. That said, I can help others who may or may not have professional connections through their personal networks to make sure they land in the best possible situation as their professional lives kick off and advance through the ranks.

The only thing I hope is that karma is real and that when my kids are of the age that they may need to leverage my growing professional and personal network that they will be awarded with the same thoughtfulness, timeliness, and kindness I have offered over the years.

A previous coworker once told me she's never met anyone who maintains relationships with old coworkers like I do; cultivating a network that helps to place folks, grow folks, and retain folks. THAT is my recommendation to you: work not only to grow yourself but others. It pays dividends personally and professionally and hopefully will help many others, known and unknown.

what seems to have worked for me:

- speak to them frequently and deliberately remind them of how immense their help has been to me. i try to share important updates with them as well.

- gifts

- paying it forward. easiest, kind of natural responsibility though (even if no one helped you). hence least emphasized as a way to show gratitude.

I am going to go against the trend in sibling comments here and suggest cash along with a personal note, and as often as appropriate. [Edit: this is offensive?]

Pay it forward

You set up the environment to create more people like you the same way those experienced people did. I've found that mentorship like this has been one of the most rewarding things I've ever done in my career.

Think about something they like and get a nice version of it for them. Like if they like pens, get them a nice one with a note engraved

Pay it forward

buy their books - everything i have learned has been by well-written, informative books

Public honors.

Mention them on your social media.

Take care of your parents!

I feel like I owe something more direct to the specific people who shaped my life.

If you owe something, it was not a gift.

If you give something with the expectation of something in return, it is also not a gift.

It's fine to give gifts to people whose cup is full, but it probably won't change their life.

With time, the value from those interactions you actually perceive may not be what you thought you got at the time...or now.

Good luck.

old men plant trees so that young men can sit in the shade

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Money?

Tell them.

> I often feel there's still an imbalance. I feel like I owe something more

Debt is related to value, which is inherently subjective. In nature, nothing reproducable is one yard long, so we create something and call it a yard, and that first thing becomes the standard. The same is true economically; there's no way to measure what one loaf of bread is inherently worth. Even the time and resources needed to produce it vary depending on countless circumstances. A man with a bread factory will have a much easier time producing one loaf than a homeless man.

The same is true for pain. What's as trivial as a small papercut to one person may be overwhelmingly traumatic to another person, and another can handle losing a limb as easily as losing a pen. Countless variable psychological circumstances prevent us from making any true measurement of debt.

But justice requires that we try our best and move on. So we create economies out of barter and then gold and then bills and then credit. Or we create justice systems that are constantly flowing and changing in their understanding of right and wrong, and also value and loss.

It may be that some people who helped you had no difficulty. I do remember a teacher telling us once to be careful of what we say, because we never know which things we say will stick with someone forever with deep profoundness. Which goes to show that a small off the cuff comment has the very real potential to contribute toward making someone's life significantly better or significantly worse, yet the comment took almost no thought or effort. It cost little.

There's a moment in a play written by Karol Wojtyla in the 1940s, where Adam Chmielowski asks Madame Helena what it costs her to play Ophelia or Lady MacBeth. She replies, "in a way, it costs me all my life. It is a strange ransom; every time I pay it all over again."

I have met many people who are convinced that they have been wronged so grievously that the offender must pay every last penny they have or ever will make, and suffer every second of this life as much as possible, and they hope Hell exists purely so that the offender's suffering may not be relieved by the most torturous death imaginable. Such a person will never be satisfied or happy.

For the little it's worth, my recommendation is to repay people with what good value you justly and reasonably estimate that you owe them for the good they have done to you, and be done with it. If they consider it too much or too little, accomodate them a little, but only within reason. Inversely, if anyone has wronged you, consider their debt paid to you already, since this costs you nothing, whereas exacting justice is tiresome and restless. Besides, forgiving someone's debt to you gives them encouragement to improve, whereas exacting it discourages them and puts them on the defense. That's not to say you shouldn't insist that society as a whole have justice also, for example by calling the police when a legitimate crime has occurred to you or someone else. I'm only talking about the debt in context of two humans.

Why care so much? Those people did it for a reason. They received the same help as you and now they pass the help around. There is a saying in my language that you always meet the same guy twice in your life. And everything you do, will return to you. Be glad you have met so kind people and be nice to the future student or helpseeker you will met. It could be that guys son or daughter. Balance restored i would say.

pay forward

Like others have already said, pass it on.

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I was told to never give unsolicited advice, and saying thank you out of the blue is a type of unsolicited feedback.

Helping others is also a form of elitism as it assumes you know what is best for others and most of us don't.

It is best to live alone, die alone, thank no one, and stick to yourself. Leave improving the world to the 1%, most of us aren't worth the air we breathe and the smaller the footprint we leave when we die the better humanity will be for it.