Comment by _DeadFred_

From the first two sentences on wikipedia

> The 1982 Lebanon War began on 6 June 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon. The invasion followed a series of attacks and counter-attacks between the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) operating in southern Lebanon and the Israeli military that had caused civilian casualties on both sides of the border.

You asked "but what pissed them off so much". Maybe it was the PLO operating in Lebanon, not sure.

>As the Americans discovered, this level of radicalization doesn't come naturally to people.

It doesn't? Theocratic governments have been around for millennia. They're not some kind of modern invention; they're really just a reversion to how most societies worked in the past.

I never understood this logic. We made peace with the Japanese and Germans after the horrors of WWII. There will probably be peace between Russia and Ukraine at some point. Only Arabs attacking a specific country seem to be infantilized to the point where every retaliation is destined to perpetuate the conflict.

Lebanon had a civil war along religious lines. There are many Lebanese Christians in the USA that could help you with what seems to be a misunderstanding about the country.

Hezbollah's founders writings at the time are available online, and that they are clear about their goal being the rule of Islam. Their slogan was 'The Islamic Revolution in Lebanon'. They were founded as an Islamic revolutionary group, that is very core to who they are. Highlighting that is hardly 'using Islam as a scapegoat' whatever that means.

Had Israel killed 15000 people when Hezbollah launched, I think it was 3000 rockets at civilians in an attempt to overwhelm Israel's iron dome defenses for civilians, during and immediately after Oct 7th, partnering with Hamas in ending the semi-peace that had been in place in order to kill the maximal amount if Israeli civilians/instill maximal fear? We are talking about those attacks on this thread about Lebanon.

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Personally I’m all for Israel’s security. I find it devastating how hard long term peace in the region seems to be, and how it keeps getting further and further away.

> It is not a terrorist attack, it was an reaction of Hezbollah indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel

It was literally a terrorist attack - it was designed to cause terror. If Hezbollah had done this to the Israeli government or even IDF reservists, I've no doubt that you would call it a terror attack.

And why might Hezbollah be firing rockets onto Lebanese land illegally occupied by militant Israeli settlers, I wonder? Could it also have something to do with Israel launching unprovoked airstrikes in Lebanon?[0] Israel is the occupier, Israel is the aggressor - Israel needs to stop.

> Something UN troops are supposed to stop

That's ironic, given how many UN staff Israel has murdered since last October.

> And no, Israel doesn't not murder, rape and torture, that is purely projection.

I'm sorry, but you're either incredibly misinformed, or an that's an outright lie - even the UN says Israel has institutionalised the use of abuse, torture, sexual abuse and rape[1][2]. Even B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights group, agrees with this![3]

I've read countless reports of Israel torturing Palestinian hostages - they are doing it on a huge scale, and in mind-bendingly evil ways.

Israel is a sick, apartheid regime that must be stopped.

[0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/israel-launches-att...

[1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-esca...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violen...

[3] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-rights-gro...

How is this violently expanding into Gaza?

That's like saying that during the us invasion of Iraq to replace the regime the US expanded into Iraq. It did not. The us didn't settle Iraq.

I stand by my statement that people here talk with authority without knowing even the most basic facts.

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Not necessarily, this can happen with immigration alone. For example, French and English descendants used to form a much greater percentage of the Canadian population, yet they were not "ethnically cleansed".

Doesn’t it depend on the time scale?

If we are talking about pre-globalization many countries are no longer have a majority “native” population. (US, Japan, Taiwan, parts of Europe) and that is just the reality of human history.

I think we have to decide on a time when the back and fourth geocoding between groups is no longer acceptable. Most of the world thinks it’s around the end of ww2 and the start of globalization, but are you contending that it should be later, and the Arabs should take back Israel?

Arabs are not native to that area.