Show HN: Autism Simulator

(autism-simulator.vercel.app)

749 points by joshcsimmons 2 days ago

896 comments | 3 pages

Hey all, I built this. It’s not trying to capture every autistic experience (that’d be impossible). It’s based on my own lived experience as well as that of friends on the spectrum.

I'm trying to give people a feel for what masking, decision fatigue, and burnout can look like day-to-day. That’s hard to explain in words, but easier to show through choices and stats. I'm not trying to "define autism".

I’ve gotten good feedback here about resilience, meds, and difficulty tuning. I’ll keep tweaking it. If even a few people walk away thinking, "ah, maybe that’s why my coworker struggles in those situations," then it’s worth it.

Appreciate everyone who’s tried it and shared thoughts.

byte_0 2 days ago

Very nice game. Barely made it to getting to the office and receiving orders from a manager. I could completely relate to the "hot desk" experience, that's something that would irritate me. I do not claim to be in the spectrum, nor have any diagnosis to claim or reject it. Again, congratulations for the game and the feeling.

  • joshcsimmons 2 days ago

    Thank you! Hot desking is a nightmare regardless of if you're on the spectrum or now.

l___l a day ago

Does it ever go beyond the second day? I tried many options but it goes from energy 73 to burnout in one step.

Some of the options don't show at all, I get a blank screen. Coming from Tor.

HiPhish 2 days ago

> To keep your job and avoid conflict, you must "mask." Masking means hiding your natural habits and feelings, while imitating the social behaviors that coworkers expect.

Isn't that just part of everyday life as a grown-up?

  • Bjartr 2 days ago

    Some people find this process intuitive to the point they don't realize they're doing it, and others have to be actively thinking about it or it doesn't happen at all. Those with autism are more likely to tend towards the latter.

  • integralid 2 days ago

    For some people it comes easier than for others. I personally don't feel like I mask all the time, only sometimes when I want to tell my colleague that he's a moron, but I don't.

  • 98codes 2 days ago

    This seems in the same direction as "doesn't everyone get sad?" for folks with depression. It's not a matter of this not being an experience for others, as much as it is how much energy it takes to get through it.

    "Energy" in this case as a stand-in for willpower, for emotional regulation, for actual physical energy.

  • crooked-v 2 days ago

    Yes, but it's more intense for people who find eye contact distracting or outright unpleasant on a visceral level, or who are suppresssing stimming urges that a 'normal' person doesn't experience in the first place.

  • zer00eyz 2 days ago

    > Isn't that just part of everyday life as a grown-up?

    Yes it is.

    The question isn't if you mask, it's what you are masking and to what extent.

    There is a big difference between having sense enough not to wear your favorite gimp suit to work and not knowing how to make small talk and have to do it as performance everyday when you are at work.

lorentzoh a day ago

I called mom back because she left 3 voicemails, and it took so much energy, that I lost. What's so bad about calling your mom back?

  • Minor49er a day ago

    I did the same thing and lost a ton of energy and masking. Maybe Mom is a boss character in this game

jccalhoun 2 days ago

"A PM appears at your desk with an urgent ask that lacks acceptance criteria. "

I don't know what this means and I don't understand the first choice: Open a template and force crisp AC: "Given/When/Then"

  • disillusioned 2 days ago

    Generally speaking, a lot of firms follow best practice where "issues"/"tasks"/"stories" are written (by a Product Manager, or PM) to include both a prescriptive request as well as a list of acceptance criteria that can be checked off to act as a mutually understood list of requirements for that issue to be considered complete.

    The "given/when/then" model is basically, "given this circumstance, when the following occurs, the following behavior is observed" as a framing device for building ACs, though not everyone uses that.

makerofthings a day ago

I wanted to like this but it doesn’t reflect my experience in the uk or that of close family members. It seems to be some sort of burnout simulator?

alex77456 2 days ago

Would you consider making a version/mode with resulting effects disclosed before the choice? I feel like that would make the whole experience smoother and more illustrative.

mustaphah 2 days ago

Autism may be the price of human intelligence [1]

[1] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/09/250927031224.h...

  • joshcsimmons 2 days ago

    I paid the price. I still haven't received the intelligence.

    • reactordev 2 days ago

      I was about to say, when do I get my prize?

      • lstodd 2 days ago

        You're posting here, this is the prize.

        Consider how many people cannot even know what ycombinator is.

        Harsh as this sounds, this is the truth.

  • bagful 2 days ago

    I dare say autism is the pride of human intelligence.

  • moomoo11 2 days ago

    Anything but admitting environmental effects of pollution, plastics, and over medicating.

    • BriggyDwiggs42 2 days ago

      True, nobody ever says that pollution, plastics, and over-medicating are bad. Keep fighting the brave fight!

    • KPGv2 2 days ago

      > and over medicating

      don't forget the vaccines and tylenol, RFK Jr

      autism predates the widespread use of plastic by generations

      The Nazis had already holocausted autistic people.

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voodooEntity 2 days ago

Remove the medication part than this seems like a normal day in IT as a single man.

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reactordev 2 days ago

Ugh, it’s like replaying the trauma of my life the last ten years… 10/10.

dzink 2 days ago

You should allow people to pick more options to resolve the issues. If energy is low, enable a nap, or food, or some other way to replenish, instead of “watching tv”.

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f0e4c2f7 2 days ago

I don't like the premise of this game. If you're autistic, don't mask. Live authentically as yourself and find people who love you for who you are.

You'll annoy the hell out of some people, and thats fine. They can find other people to spend time with.

You can probably find a good community where you are, and if not just move to SF which is something like the autism homeland. Being autistic there is valorized and even imitated in sort of amusing ways.

Masking is a kind of hell, living someone else's life. Unmasking and living as yourself feels scary at first but the people who will love you that way can only find you if you live that way.

  • forgotoldacc 2 days ago

    I've gotten much farther in life by masking it to some extent. Those gains in life allowed me more freedom overall and let me do more of what I enjoy.

    "Just be yourself" is a good message in a movie, but everyone has to play a role to some extent to get where they want to be.

  • DaiPlusPlus 2 days ago

    > If you're autistic, don't mask. Live authentically as yourself and find people who love you for who you are.

    No thank you. I very much prefer to remain employed.

    I get enough accommodations as it is; society is built on give-and-take and I’ve found a stable medium. My masking is part of that compromise. Without it I would just be entitled.

  • derefr 2 days ago

    Masking doesn't (only) mean presenting as 100% neurotypical with the goal of others not even realizing you're autistic. It's also what you call any amount emotional labor you go through, trying to decrease the amount of emotional labor that other people have to expend on dealing with the ways you would, if not masking, approach interactions/tasks/etc differently.

    If you imagine neurotypical and autistic as two "languages", then masking is when an autistic person is going to the effort to speak the neurotypical language, so as to remove the burden from neurotypical people of having to parse the autistic language. Most of the time, unless the interaction is very short and one-shot, the autistic person will still come off as speaking the neurotypical language "as a second language" rather than speaking it "fluently"; but it is the lived experience of many autistic people that this is still less disruptive in mixed company than just letting go and going full native autistic and expecting neurotypical people to be the ones to adapt. (Even in SF, a randomly-selected group of people often contains a few people visiting from elsewhere, who have never interacted with [non-masking] autistic people before, and so have never learned to "speak" autistic.)

    Which is not to say that it isn't nice to find other autistic people to hang out with, where you can just let your hair down and "speak your native language" together! But it's not like this is something people avoid doing, if they get the chance. It's just that in most places in the world, you're rather unlikely to stumble into groups consisting solely of autistic people. (Except maybe in engineering-led tech companies!)

    • hn_acc1 2 days ago

      The other factor to consider: no two autistic people are alike - one doesn't necessarily have the SAME native language as another - they're just both different from neurotypical. (I have a daughter on the spectrum)

      Imagine visiting a new planet where every household has it's OWN unique language, most of them at least somewhat different from all the others, but they can mostly all speak passable english - is it easier for you to learn each of their languages, or for them to "mask" and speak to you in english?

    • wizzwizz4 2 days ago

      > If you imagine neurotypical and autistic as two "languages"

      This analogy is very analogous. Damian Milton introduced it to academia as the "double empathy problem", and there are a trickle of studies confirming the obvious corollaries of the analogy (e.g. doi:10.1177/1362361320919286 "Autistic peer-to-peer information transfer is highly effective") which are considered surprising by academia because autism (like most psychological conditions) is defined badly:

      > Autism is defined clinically by deficits in social communication. It may therefore be expected that autistic people find it difficult to share information with other people.

  • sleight42 2 days ago

    Am AuDHD.

    To be direct: this is a recipe for failure in a neurotypical world.

    I agree with you with regard to the resulting personal relationship quality. However, there is a *massive* practical/economic cost.

    I worked in Tech for 30 years. Burned out hard. Then I got my autism diagnosis.

    I lived sincerely. I was punished for it.

    I then tried to conform—masking before I quite knew what it was. I just knew that it required enormous effort to remain "composed".

    Nope, still punished. The mask wasn't good enough.

    Not only that, I began to loathe who I was becoming because of the mask. And I saw the added cost of how it was wrecking my marriage.

    I'm now into year 3 (2.33) into unemployment with no idea what's next. I just know that it can't involve any masking whatsoever.

    And that, in of itself, means I will be far "less successful" in this neurotypical world.

    • gridspy 2 days ago

      I hope you find a path that works for you.

  • kxrm 2 days ago

    For clarity, I am not autistic (as far as I am aware) but I do have personality traits and quirks that absolutely have made my life challenging. As I have gotten older I have learned to mask those traits and it has led to far more success in life. While I still have trouble maintaining relationships, I at least can curate a professional reputation that has granted me benefits.

    I am not saying this to claim that those with autism should mask, but I think the advice in this comment could be misinterpreted. While we should all be able to live as authentic selves, the reality is that this comes with trade-offs. We should evaluate those trade-offs independently and determine which of our personality traits are worth masking and which are not.

  • footy 2 days ago

    I'm audhd in real life and I've been unable to get to day 3 in this game after 5 tries. I don't know what that says about me, the spectrum, this way, or the way I live my life, but I think I also don't like the premise much either.

    • MisterTea 2 days ago

      This game is an interpenetration of one persons experience and is too tightly defined by their daily routines. I collapsed on day 1 and got fired.

  • hypeatei 2 days ago

    Masking is hell, I agree. But the person you are underneath isn't guaranteed to be something that people like to be around either.

    • rendx a day ago

      "No matter who you are, no matter what you do, no matter who your audience is: 30 percent will love it, 30 percent will hate it, and 30 percent won't care."

  • CGMthrowaway 2 days ago

    IDK if it says something about me, but my first couple tries at the game I misunderstood what masking was.

    I thought when my Masking score went down, it meant I was showing my true colors too much and exposing myself as autistic (to the detriment of my career). Took me a minute to realize it was the opposite.

  • ants_everywhere 2 days ago

    > If you're autistic, don't mask

    I strongly agree. Masking is a maladaptive strategy and it's described that way in the literature.

    But you do have to figure out who you are and what matters to you. A lot of autistic people spend much of their youth trying to be other people and only really figuring out what they like when they're in their 30s, 40s, or older.

    • dpark 2 days ago

      You could drop the word “autistic” from that last paragraph and it would still be accurate.

      This is just the human experience.

  • MattGrommes 2 days ago

    I first learned that it was possible to intentionally act "normal" when I was 12 (I'm now 47). So I spent a lot of years studying people to figure out how to do those things they did automatically but I had to do manually.

    Later I learned it's called masking and a lot of people like yourself think of it as bad.

    But it made my life immeasurably better.

    I hated how I acted and how people reacted to me when I was young.

    I wouldn't even know how to turn off the "masking behavior" now and I never would have become who I am without it.

    Maybe it's because I was young and didn't know any other people like me but I don't think labelling this survival technique as hell is right for everybody.

    • dpark 2 days ago

      This isn’t just an autistic thing. Everyone has to learn to temper themselves to fit into society and get along with others.

      • MattGrommes 2 days ago

        That's true, of course. It's a matter of degree and scale.

  • cvoss 2 days ago

    > They can find other people to spend time with.

    In the context of this game world, that circumstance manifests as the player getting fired from their job. Perhaps a person would like to keep their job and so does things they otherwise wouldn't like to do.

  • dpark 2 days ago

    > If you're autistic, don't mask. Live authentically as yourself and find people who love you for who you are.

    What does “masking” mean to you? Because when I search for autistic masking I get a really wide range of behaviors from suppressing physical rocking to attempting to learn social skills.

    Some masking might be counterproductive or even harmful. Some of the stuff I’m finding listed as masking is just basic being an adult stuff, though. If “don’t mask” means “don’t try to improve yourself” then it’s terrible advice.

  • ChocolateGod 2 days ago

    I have aspergers (not sure the term is even used anymore) and eye contact is very uncomfortable, but I try to do it (or fake, it as I have to wear glasses and can take them off) because in day to day life not having eye contact when having a conversation is seen as rude and the last thing I want is for everyone that I have a one time conversation with to think I'm rude.

  • lazyasciiart 2 days ago

    SF, famously affordable for people who have decided to skip success in social, academic and professional arenas. What is this, a trust fund satire?

  • dfltr 2 days ago

    > You'll annoy the hell out of some people, and thats fine.

    Some of those people sign my paycheck though.

  • wat10000 2 days ago

    Screw that. There’s nothing inherently good about authenticity. Be yourself when it’s good to be yourself. Don’t when it’s not. Try to change “yourself” when it’s beneficial to do so.

  • squigz 2 days ago

    Yikes. I suppose "Just stop masking" is great advice if you're in a highly privilege position where you don't have to worry about losing your job. But that does track with suggesting autistic people "just move to San Francisco," where my crippling disorder is "imitated" in "amusing" ways.

  • idiotsecant 2 days ago

    That's an interesting take. Most humans have a viscerally negative reaction to unmasked autistic behaviours, in the same way they might react to a strange spider. A mix of fear and disgust. You quite literally cannot build a life for yourself without masking unless you're already financially independent. Once you have enough power and F-U money, sure, go for it. In the meantime it's not really a realistic solution.

    • supportengineer 2 days ago

      Spiders are good, especially in your house. They are eating something. Whatever they are eating, is worse than a spider.

      • jeremyjh 2 days ago

        It doesn’t matter what is true about most spiders, the point of the comment is about how most people react to the sight of one.

      • idiotsecant 2 days ago

        You're so close to understanding the analogy

      • dooglius 2 days ago

        For example?

        • klausnrooster 2 days ago

          Somewhat orthogonal, but if the spider is not a Brown Recluse (if you live where those are), then it is competition for them.

  • moc_was_wronged 2 days ago

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    • xp84 2 days ago

      > believing it isn’t corrosive to sell one’s time and dignity for survival

      It's possible to survive without doing that - start your own business.

      It's just tremendously more work to come up with a good and working business plan, and to find a funding source to help actualize that plan, when you're too good to "sell your time and dignity" to at least get seed money.

      I don't get this mindset that the whole idea of working for someone else is degrading. Working for someone else is outsourcing a very tough part of business -- the strategy and funding -- to someone else. In exchange for this turnkey arrangement, you receive far less money than would a sole proprietor who managed to hatch the idea and deliver the same value on their own, successfully, but you also make far more money than the (zero or negative $) you would in the 90% likely scenario where your business fails.

      Nobody is being forced to work for others -- but to get money you do have to provide value worth paying for to someone. Extreme self-sufficiency, owing nothing to anyone, is also an option -- you can get a loan and buy a few acres of farmland for less than a car and do your own thing there.

      • hn_acc1 2 days ago

        Agreed - I find I have very little creativity / vision (maybe too hard on my ideas), so I prefer to work hard for someone else, and let them get a ton of $$ in exchange for generally steady work and a pretty good life, all things considered.

      • gridspy 2 days ago

        If you run your own business, you just have customers (and investors) instead of a boss. That still requires just as much social skill to navigate that relationship and the goals are often less clear.

        I like the point you are making about being able to structure your own workplace and engage with the world on your own terms however.

        • heurist 2 days ago

          I haven't run a business in a while but when I did I found I was actually more comfortable because the interactions are typically more scriptable and the dynamics are clearer than when you're dealing with peer employees. When you're dealing with customers, you're interfacing on behalf of the business and can adopt a 'business' persona while speaking about things you are expert in. Often you deal with people in bursts and don't need to interact with any given individual too often; with peers it's a lot more vague and confusing, and you're with them basically all the time for years so it's much more exhausting.

jwmoz a day ago

Don't really understand how this is meant to work. I burned out. Am I autistic?

ianberdin 2 days ago

For me, life is not living, but fighting “bad” behavior every day, which gravitate me easily towards sun.

I even build a custom AI therapy tool for myself.

estimator7292 2 days ago

Extremely disappointed about the amount of ableism in the comments. Yes, some kids these days pick the autism label when they probably shouldn't, but that does NOT mean you get to shit on actually disabled people

Plenty of autistic people experience actual disability. And masking isn't just "what everyone does at work". Masking is a trauma response. Autistic people in genral have been abused for their 'abnormal' behavior to the point of being so traumatized that masking is not even a choice. They must hide for fear of further abuse and harassment.

Abuse such as "everyone's a little autistic" and "that's not a disability" or "you just want attention"

Making passing judgements on someone's disability that you clearly don't understand makes you a bigoted asshole. Stop it.

  • senordevnyc 2 days ago

    Yes, some kids these days pick the autism label when they probably shouldn't, but that does NOT mean you get to shit on actually disabled people

    You shouldn't shit on anyone, but you do raise a good point: how do you know who the actually disabled people are?

    If some people who claim autism offer as evidence experiences that almost all neurotypical folks can relate to, people are going to be skeptical. You can call them bigoted assholes, but you're unlikely to shame anyone into suspending their skepticism.

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psram1986 a day ago

try vagus nerve stimulation yoga. kegel with diaphragmatic breathing whenever you get anxious. and limit cortisol inducing food/drink. coffee/tea/meat. sweets are okay if they make your cortisol lower but moderation is key. also eat all meals of the day. and listen to gamma waves music at work. and sleep in a room with open shades so you wake up at sunlight.

these steps will ensure your body actively tries to be in the parasympathetic instead of sympathetic. side effects.. bladder and bowel might become a little bit overactive but that is okay as you r strengthening the pelvic floor.

  • psram1986 a day ago

    also replace coffee with decaf if possible or the one with chicory and milk to reduce caffeine but still give you the taste.

bentt 2 days ago

I’ve had a rough week. Clicked on this from the couch while screwing off work, Game of Thrones on the TV. Had to laugh.

qwertytyyuu a day ago

Hey! that wikipedia article was interetsing don't close it for me!

TJSomething 2 days ago

I played one day and I had to quit because it was stressing me out too much. Good job!

landl0rd 2 days ago

This is sort of silly. Everyone has to "mask" at work. I do not care if the HR lady tells you to "bring your whole self". Unless your whole self happens to be precisely what they want, it is a lie. And nobody is that conflict avoidant, fake-happy, and deeply committed to shareholder value while upholding the strongest standards of ethics and work ethic.

This is a grind for pretty much everyone. To give you the other side, to someone extroverted and socially attuned, the fake nonsense is more grating and insulting than it is to you, I'd guess. Life is hard and everyone has his cross to bear.

gnarlouse 2 days ago

I’ll have you know, I took the Quatum mechanics ADHD interlude VERY PERSONALLY.

amplify-backup 2 days ago

Based on this simulator, I have concluded that most of "autism" is just a pathologization of normal human personality characteristics which are simply not well aligned with the expectations of the culture which presently dominates.

For example, sensitivity to background noise is an extremely normal thing which is strongly correlated with intelligence.

Similarly, the tendency to get caught up in learning about interesting things instead of paying attention to boring things. This is just another sign of intelligence.

Another example: I also have to "mask" in social situations, and I find it exhausting. But it is only exhausting in the presence of alien people who expect alien behavior. If I am around my own people, or if I have enough power to simply defy expectations and behave normally, then there is no exhaustion. If people like me were in control, then "normal" people would have to mask, and they would find it exhausting.

So, there is no "disorder" here. You are just an intelligent person who lives in enemy territory, and who struggles to conform to their expectations, which are completely alien to your nature.

Conclusion. If you are struggling with "autism", the solution is to band together and seek power.

cratermoon 2 days ago

The blinking Autism Simulator text, in black on yellow, in the upper left is very distracting.

  • maleldil 2 days ago

    Maybe that's the point? I heavily dislike it when people put blinking stuff on websites.

rasengan 2 days ago

Cool game. That said, autism is a spectrum. You can’t just say “this iz wut autism like.”

  • joshcsimmons 2 days ago

    Thanks for playing and agreed! I have a disclaimer in the [About] modal

    Autism is an extremely diverse and complex phenomenon. No two autistic people experience the world in the same way. This simulation is based on the experiences of a single autistic individual and is not representative of all autistic people, although, I suspect many autistic people will recognize some aspects of their own experience in this simulation.

  • athorax 2 days ago

    Thats a bit uncalled for. This is a game made by someone shaped by their perspective on the world. It can be appreciated as such without applying your own additional intent.

  • kraig911 2 days ago

    I think masking is pretty general across the board. Even severe Autism. My daughter acts completely different in different contexts. Some could say we all do but you'll know it when you see it esp when the mask is gone.

k2052 2 days ago

Scrolling through the comments and noticed that they are a pretty good autism simulator for working in tech with autism. The entire cast of typical characters is represented.

- guy that thinks everyone has the tism and the spectrum is everyone - this guy has more trouble reading the room than anyone. but it is the lack of empathy and not autism

- guy that thinks everything is a microaggression towards his autism and ironically makes it harder for other autists

- guy with probable schizoid personality disorder that thinks struggling with people and social issues is just life because everyone is stupid and annoying

- guy who read Bad Therapy once and now thinks autism is a tiktok trend

- insufferable fedora guy that thinks psych is unscientific - probably secretly has severe depression and is making it everyone else's problem by being a jerk. whenever called out 4 being jerk blames the autism he probably doesn't actually have

- guy who thinks the solution is just be yourself

- guy with trauma from being themselves landing them on a PIP

A primary problem in tech is how everyone is seriously lacking in social skills and empathy. This is exhausting for autists and everyone. The real autism simulator is just existing in tech.

neverkn0wsb357 2 days ago

The comments in the threads are interesting. A surprising amount of people are saying they don’t get it.

I can shed light into the food thing (I don’t think of myself as autistic but the people around me do, my kid is diagnosed - I was the last one to clue in “that’s just being a kid” I would say); so food, making yourself a proper breakfast is self-care, and self care takes energy. Making yourself breakfast is a lot of work, so you do it and it eats your energy, or you don’t do it and you feel shittier later because you didn’t eat.

It’s a shitty catch-22.

And some days you’re tired from the day before; I love that the sim carried over the energy levels from the day before because sleep does help but there’s no real reset, the day before carries into the next day so you’ll be like “I know I should make myself food, but I’m exhausted” so you avoid it and it turns out worse, or you do it and now you’re tired for the next task.

sleight42 2 days ago

Thank you! I sent this to my family so that they may get a clue!!!

m348e912 2 days ago

Have any HN autists here had any luck with Folinic acid as an adult relieving some of the aspects of the condition?

Leucovorin, a prescription/medical form of Folinic acid, was mentioned recently by RFK Jr./HHS as an effective treatment for some forms of childhood autism.

Politics aside, I recently saw some anecdotal cases of marked immediate improvement in young children.

https://www.tiktok.com/@cassie.hudgins/video/755601851016659...

Has anyone tried the over-the-counter version as an adult? The over-the-counter version which seems to be basically the same compound as Leucovorin, just not produced in a medical setting and exacting medical standards.

PS, please don't just downvote, reply to the comment instead with your objection or correction to what I wrote (if you have one)

mrjay42 2 days ago

Whoever chose flashy colors for this is a motherfluffer :')

Babkock 2 days ago

It's not perfect, but considering all the bullshit and misinformation out there about autism spectrum disorder, it's a step in the right direction. I'm sure all of the other autistic people will tell you why it sucks, why it's not good, and nitpick and criticize, but it's fun, it looks cool, and it's decent media representation for a marginalized community that has almost no real representation in media. I don't really like how the goal is to just be a productive worker and exist in society that works against you in every way?

There should be more than 4 meters under "Stats", and one of them is just labeled "???" and goes to 0 for no reason.

hartator 2 days ago

Is it possible to win?

Most I was able to do is day 2. Probably realistic.

stego-tech 2 days ago

Solid slice of the more extreme side of the autism spectrum for those who can still function within “normal” society, albeit with some assistance and tolerance.

I’m lucky enough to be on the lower/moderate side of things, but man all of this stuff hit home in its own way. Annoying noises (for me it’s the whine of cheap electronics or the chaotic bass of some music genres/upstairs neighbors), the forceful imposition of others in my space (“cameras on!”, scented cleaners, voluntold activities), and the daily task micromanagement to get by (do I call a friend/family member since they’ve texted me three times today about a trivial matter, or do I watch comfort shows and work on a personal project?).

This shit is hard, and adding in the requirement to engage in political maneuvering to succeed and thrive makes it exponentially worse.

I just want to do a good job and go home to live the best life I can. I suspect most autists are the same.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 2 days ago

It's been long enough(about 7 years) since I worked in an environment like this that I've been seriously considering going back to it lately. I played one round of your game, and that was enough to make it completely obvious to me what a fucking terrible idea that is.

Thank you for making this, I think you just saved me from flushing two years of personal progress down the toilet in the name of... What? Fucking business logic? I'll pass on that, I think, and keep improving my life on my own terms.

And maybe address the question why, again and again, I keep finding ways to convince myself that this is what I want my life to be. No matter how many times it leads me to crash and burn and have to spend years picking up the pieces.

Seriously, thank you. If I ever meet you, I will buy you a beverage to your liking, to go, so you can go home and enjoy it in peace.

/g

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shrx 2 days ago

I've just got fired for calling my mom.

analog8374 2 days ago

brekky : A handful of raw pumpkin seeds, a banana and (premade) coffee. How hard is that?

andy_ppp 2 days ago

Oh, am I autistic then? :-|

Honestly I think everyone feels like this to some degree and most people are hiding their contempt for the structures at work.

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semiinfinitely 2 days ago

> To keep your job and avoid conflict, you must "mask." Masking means hiding your natural habits and feelings, while imitating the social behaviors that coworkers expect.

is this even autism specific?? ha

  • forinti 2 days ago

    "I was ashamed of myself when I realised life was a costume party and I attended with my real face" ― Franz Kafka

    "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth" - Oscar Wilde

  • ocschwar 2 days ago

    It's things like having a grating monotone, and having to pause before speaking and willing yourself to adopting the right tone for your state of mind and the effect you want to have on your audience. Every. Time. You. Speak.

    It's like being an actor, except the whole world is your stage, and you have to be conscious of your character, lines, and motivation, the entire time you're awake.

ralusek 2 days ago

I woke up, didn't focus on self care, didn't take medication, and got fired immediately. That doesn't feel very realistic

RicoElectrico a day ago

The "press y to start" is a nice touch, regardless of validity of the whole experience.

(It's probably meant as an OCD trigger; barely anyone uses anything but space/enter/any key to dismiss the splash screen)

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byearthithatius 2 days ago

"Masking" to me just sounds like being a person. I want to tell my boss fuck you, but I can't. So I say I am frustrated.

lupire a day ago

I'm not interested in "raw dogging" your game, "champ".

sim7c00 2 days ago

amazing. realistic too. i had a burnout after 2 moves

MrHorsetoast 2 days ago

I, for one, thought it was a fun game. I can’t speak to the authenticity, but I appreciated the concept and the retro interface.

unconed 2 days ago

Changes in mood result from changes in behavior.

If you don't feel like doing something you know is good for you, do it anyway. You'll feel better afterwards.

fnord77 2 days ago

My idea of self care is trolling reddit.

Suggestion: rather than hard coded choices, allow free-form input and use an LLM to convert that into a metric

macinjosh 2 days ago

Not sure about this. I am high functioning autistic. It ended my game because I called my mom and that was somehow overly taxing. I call my parents and sibling sometimes when I feel drained emotionally. Not everyone hates communicating with their family.

jmkni 2 days ago

The last game I want to play is "Me Simulator"

Right off the bat, I don't do "self-care" in the morning and I don't eat breakfast, so I can't get past #1

senordevnyc 2 days ago

Hmm...I recognize the opening description well as someone who has ADHD. But honestly I don't know anyone who is neurotypical for whom the description wouldn't apply as well.

sigfubar 2 days ago

I’ve learned so much, and it took only a few minutes. What a treat.

I had no idea about masking, even though I’ve been doing it for as long as I remember being alive. Aaaah, it’s so draining. When I was younger (in my 20s) I used to think there’d come a time when I’d finally come out of my shell. I’m pushing 40 now, but the shell is only thicker, the cave deeper, the walls taller. Instead of dreaming that one day I’ll be “like everyone else”, I’m contemplating the day I’ll cease to exist. Funny.

  • joshcsimmons 2 days ago

    Please talk to someone about it. Living with autism doesn't have to be horrible. Even if you can't change everything to fit right now you can always take small steps in the right direction. Eventually those steps add up to a better life.

vpribish 2 days ago

ok, I went through it as a relatively normal software engineer (though i certainly can empathize with a lot of on-the-spectrum behavior in kind if not in intensity) - I have 3 takeaways.

1. Things that I brush off or bounce back from have a cumulative effect that leaves some autistic people 'in the red'. It affects them and sticks with them more than it does to me.

2. Options that are not at all realistic or sensible to me like 'not taking meds' - i would never consider skipping a prescription. several cases offered responding with formal processes and complaints that are wildly inappropriate for the offense. Are you showing that to an autistic person these terrible choices somehow seem to be viable?

3. This sample environment is over-the-top with caricatures of the worst sort of job activities populated by judgemental and sneering villains. Are you trying to show that to an autistic person they only see a day full of the very worst things - that they fixate on these problems and don't put them in context with the rest of the experience?

An uncharitable person could take away that autistic people are fragile, make poor choices, and only see the worst in the people around them.

Maybe this was more meant as a comic rant that autistic people could enjoy as a parody of their shared experiences? I'm not actually sure this is accomplishing what you want.

xvector 2 days ago

Energy burnout isn't real. No one collapses at their desk cause they skipped breakfast and had to give an update in standup.

Unless you're super hypoglycemic I guess.

KPGv2 2 days ago

This was too real thanks I hate it.

ajkjk a day ago

I can't shake the feeling that the whole ontology here is subtly-yet-totally wrong. Sure: all of the symptoms and conditions here are real; the characterization of the conditions is true; the categorization of people into "those who have this condition" and "those who don't" (or as a gradation) is true. Even the "essentialization" of it, the idea that these people can't change the way they are, that's mostly true also. And yet... it's all wrong somehow. Something about this model misses the entire nature of what's going on, and thinking in this way makes it impossible to fix it, and this sort of logic is making everything worse in some fundamental way.

One reason I believe this is that my own experience is that I go into and out of this state. When I'm unhappy and unfulfilled, I find that I can't adapt to new information, and noises stress me out, and getting through the day is draining, and being around other people requires masking. When life is going better, everything seems more manageable, when I'm able to relax... all the symptoms subside again. But the state where the symptoms are real can last for months or years, because it's so hard to find the path out. It is like the feeling of being in a relationship that's not going well but not so badly that you've found a justification for breaking up. Your whole mind shuts down and you can't put your finger on why... but then later, after a breakup, or maybe some time later, you wake up and realize that that wasn't actually you; you were sick somehow, starved of something essential to being yourself and unable to perceive what was going on.

The world feeling "hopeless" induces this in me, and I think everyone around me also. More political polarization; more people seeming disconnected or unempathetic; urban ennui and disenchantment and corporatization---these all make it worse. It feels impossible for some people to grow and change in a world that feels rigid instead of fluid; that expects them to already "be there" and judge them or react with confusion to them if they're not. Whereas a dynamic environment, where people are curious about each other, where they show compassion and empathy to new people or any one who is struggling... that seems to allow them to open up and change and grow.

"Essentializing" this condition is harmful: you are not essentially broken; you are broken vis-á-vis the world around you, but it can be due to problems with the world instead of you. Actually there is something very very wrong with how the world works. People and institutions and norms are supposed to set up an environment in which nobody feels like this, but they don't, so everyone is "sick". I like to call this "The Virus". The Virus is a condition that almost everyone has---it's the virus of being closed off, nervous, and unable to open up with strangers in a way that makes them feel comfortable and able to grow. When everyone in a community has the Virus, other people around them don't get the ability to change and heal and grow the way they need to, so they get the Virus too, and spread it on. It's a condition of omission: it is only really possible to be healthy in an environment where the majority of people around you are also healthy, and when 90% of people are unhealthy, the last 10% follow inevitably. Hence the Virus is contagious, even though it's not a "physical" condition.

The trap of it is that everyone is masking, and at different skill levels. The people who mask well seem "fine", although they are not, which makes the people who mask less well feel like something is horribly wrong with them. Since nobody is able to conceptualize what is happening, they search desperately for explanations, and "autistic and/or ADHD" is the most agreeable model they find. It's wrong, but in the setting where nobody has a better model, it's the best you can do--at least it explains and justifies their immediate needs.

"Something is wrong with me, and you can't understand it because our minds work differently, but I need you to accomodate it." True, entirely, yes, but not the best model. "Something is wrong with all of us and we need to blow this paradigm up and change it to a new one so that everyone can flourish" would be a better model that would actually have a hope of succeeding.

I believe that the above characterization is true, and I believe that it's important to believe it's true, because "essentializing" the condition locks you out of the inductions that actually have a chance to do something about it. If you believe it's in your head, then you can cope by trying to adapt, but you're doomed to mostly fail because it's not actually in your head. Whereas if you believe it's a problem in the world, then the natural conclusions are things like "How do I start to change the world around me? How do I protest the way it is? How do I get people on board with changing it also?" And that's going to be more productive, long-term. Revolt, damnit. The thing to be talking about is how to do something about it. Coping is just coping.

in short, please join my revolution, stop calling yourself autistic, call the world around you fucked up. I am so sure that many of the people who call themselves autistic would thrive if the people and institutions around them weren't so devoid of human warmth and connection and dignity. Probably you've even experienced that -- in school or in some other setting in your life. Probably the reason you feel so broken now is that you vaguely remember what it felt like to flourish and you're floundering at figuring out why it's so hard to find again. It's because the world is broken as shit! It's the Virus! Everyone has it! You would be fine if they didn't; if the world wasn't broken! You've been fine before! That's not a lie; you're not broken; you're suffering because you're not getting anything like oxygen for your soul and you're suffocating in that feeling but nobody around you is even able to acknowledge it.

  • ajkjk a day ago

    (a controversial opinion I hold which relates to this: one of the reason everyone else is masking so well, and therefore why everything seems so confusing, is that they're on drugs. Either psychiatric drugs, like SSRIs, or recreational drugs, like marijuana and alcohol (you might also include video games or social media addiction or gambling here). Which is not to cast any moral shade on them; it's just an observation that I wish I could test. Probably many of those drugs are "actually" needed, but probably many of them are also needed because they're helping them cope with the Virus. I wonder what would happen if lots of people weaned off their drugs at the same time. Would they all start to relate differently? Would they feel like their daily interactions are more human? Would they realize that they can't actually handle how upset they are about their life, but now that lots of other people feel the same way, they're able to organize and do something about it? I don't know, but I'd like to see what happens in that scenario.)

krageon a day ago

On a more meta level I found the game quite satisfying to play because it captures the essence well and went into the comments expecting to see a little empathy for different modes of thinking. Very much for a change. Instead it's long threads of neurotypical people insisting to "just fix it" with "this one tip" or aggressively misunderstanding everything and saying it's nonsense.

It's hilarious in the sense that this too is part of a daily experience and alienation, but it's really depressing and tiring to see that even when hands are held people are still shitheads about it. Why is this the case? I genuinely don't understand why everyone can't take a deep breath and figure out that the obvious has been tried, doesn't work and therefore isn't useful? That maybe people deserve a little patience and understanding, instead of yet more pushy bad attitude?

tropicalfruit 2 days ago

good writing. you should write a short story. i would read.

justonceokay 2 days ago

In my opinion the entire structure of scrum and sprints is structured to help people with autism and adhd. Most workplaces that produce creative output are much more focused on soft power, networking, and hard deadlines—things that really don’t work for the “au-dhd” crowd.

It’s easy to remove the locus of control by saying “this environment wasn’t built for me” but do appreciate how much it actually /is/ created for you.

  • tikhonj 2 days ago

    My experience has been 100% the opposite. Daily public status check-ins, top-down decisions, every work interaction mediated through artificial structure? The points are made up, the deadlines are obviously fake, but everyone acts as if they are real? Except when they're not?

    That, on its own, would make it clear the environment wasn't built for me.

    The fact that the environment was very obviously built for management—for information to flow up so that decisions can flow down—but also that nobody is willing to acknowledge that? That just makes it even clearer.

    I've worked in an environment that did feel like it was built for me, and it was pretty much the opposite of scrum/agile/etc. I had real trust with a clearly defined area of ownership. I was responsible for managing the interfaces and interaction points around my area and, occasionally, for real deadlines (with real context!), not a slog of fake short-term deadlines that exist just to create pressure. I didn't have to break down or justify my work in terms of bite-sized tasks that could roll up into somebody's spreadsheet.

    And the best part? We got more done, faster, than conventionally managed teams.

    If the culture hadn't been totally ruined by a reorg, I'd still be there. I'm still sad I haven't been able to find anything similar since. But, having experience that, I am only more confident that scrum et al are absolutely not built for me.

    • justonceokay 2 days ago

      Of course the environment was built for management. But if you have ever been in management you know that getting useful updates on progress is like suqeezing blood from a stone.

      I didn’t say that anyone liked the process, but I assure you that the average autistic engineer would actually do worse in a more feeeform environment. They would like it more though.

      • jrockway 2 days ago

        It is sometimes difficult to get progress reports because it's difficult for the people who are doing the work to figure out where they are in the process. For example, imagine that you have some tickets; "Add create method, "Add delete method", "Add list method". You take the first ticket, and decide to add the RPC server, and the authentication infrastructure, and the test harness, and the CLI wrapper. What do you say on the progress update? "You've been working on this for a week, why isn't at least one of those done?" The answer is because the tickets are pieces of value that the business wants to ship (you can ship without delete, I guess), but it's not actually how the software is assembled. What happens is that someday, you say "I'm done with create" and then 2 hours later say "I'm done with delete and list". That makes execs feel like they're being misled, but it's true.

        Of course, if you actually enumerate the "how" and not just the "what" in your ticketing system, you can get a much more realistic view. "Add foobar RPC server", "Hook auth into the foobar RPC server", "Add foobar subcommand to CLI", ...

        I think everyone does better with a clear set of expectations, autism or not. That's why we do design docs, design reviews, and try to put a realistic set of work into the ticket tracker. I would say personally, though, 99% of the time I don't really need to do that to get a good result out of myself. I can just say "by next Tuesday I will have this subsystem done". Typically this is done with heroics rather than good planning (Monday becomes a longer-than-average workday), so I try to avoid it, but I definitely understand why people want a more freeform environment.

        • lazyasciiart 2 days ago

          > (you can ship without delete, I guess)

          And some management type will say when you're halfway through 'add' that they'll cut 'delete', but it's impossible to automate anything without a delete option, so you implement it anyway during your testing and then they get mad.

      • Rumudiez 2 days ago

        I've been my own manager more than once and on teams from a few folks to a couple dozen in size. Rigid schedules and expectations absolutely make me less productive. My last 2 startups were chock full of fast paced, high quality work that got us off the ground and up to hundreds of thousands of users with me as the single engineer building apps for web, iOS and Android by myself. That is, until we hired engineering managers who tried too hard to get a glimpse inside my head, after which productivity dropped off a cliff. My current startup now has around 10 app devs and it feels like we deliver fewer features over longer timelines at a lower bar for quality than ever.

    • liveoneggs 2 days ago

      You're just describing a high-trust/senior team. That same group of people would have made scrum seem cool too.

      Scrum can protect you some really nasty stuff.

      • tikhonj 2 days ago

        I've also worked on some relatively senior/high-trust teams using roughly scrum-style processes, and the experience was decidedly worse. Even with the best setup and intentions in the world, the process still makes focusing on small, individual tasks the path of least resistance, which leads to less collaborative, more short-term focused work with less flexibility and ownership.

        A sufficiently strong team can make even a bad process work out okay, but that just means they're strong enough to compensate for the process, not that the process had any latent merit.

  • pino999 2 days ago

    Scrum is pretty bad for au-dhd crowd. It misses proper checks on business interference, which makes things even worse. It is constant pushing the worthless points (why not a time unit), kpi is about scoring points or useless improvements which have to happen anyway (merciless refactoring, yeah!). Devs could simply atomize every task and win this stupid game, but then you lose oversight and we get to lie number whatever. Everyone should be responsible, most people ain't generalists. They are specialists often.

    Kanban gives more flexibility. Scrum seems to fall apart like that eventually leaving a power vacuum for tasks out bound of scrum. Active products have constant support questions.

    Then you have SAFE, which is even worse. Waterfall but then even worse. Coordination seems to be very complex, the diagram is close to unreadable. Looks like a badly designed production street for its purpose.

    That is a problem. For who is it created exactly?

    • xp84 2 days ago

      > the worthless points (why not a time unit)

      The story points people won the battle against time units, claiming that "complexity" can be measured and quantified better than "hours" could, but in every place I've worked, people just treat them as though they're actually some unit of time. Product managers and my bosses always believe you can do arithmetic with that (multiply engineers assigned to project by 2 to cut time in half right? Sum up 25 points and be confident 5 engineers can complete them all in a week right?)

      Then we occasionally have to pretend to really care why our "velocity" isn't arbitrarily higher or why it's less than it once was, when all of the tasks have estimates from 1-5 with at least a 1-point margin of error. There's so much noise that no amount of smoothing yields useful data that you can use to achieve "certainty" -- such as that X project will be done in Y number of sprints, which is what senior management craves most, but can never safely be promised unless you have a death wish.

      Basically I'm convinced at minimum like half of teams that "do agile" or "do scrum" are just cargo-culting and derive no particular benefit from it. I don't think I'd even do estimation of any kind if I ran a software team as I saw fit.

      • pino999 2 days ago

        I had to laugh about your comment, this is exactly how it goes. People are used thinking in time units.

        Then you have modified fibonacci, which make me puke. 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20. I get special headaches because of names like this.

        However you can find this page if you adding them up by as strings, it isn't connected, but attack on titan was a good anime: https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/123581320

        Weird coincidence. I need to sleep, spend a lot today in my headspace.

      • pino999 2 days ago

        Thinking about complexity as entropy, the friction, so they try to estimate "useless work" in their eyes. Heat transfer is velocity then. Firing up the next cycle. Detectable Delectable malicious, makes me hot really. Fiery.

        It is just engine design really;) How bad can that be?

        We don't even get real time, just pretend time. But I have to say, I admire this idea. All the time wasting around it, retro's with stupid humiliations. They run on naming and shaming. Sticks and carrots.

        Works well :D Until people stop participating in the retro's. There is nothing to say, nobody says anything. They start atomizing the tasks infinitely or always inflate the estimate by 2. The standup nobody speaks, but they work like silent ghosts.

        Scary sight huh? Happy Helloween vibes inglorious bastards.

  • ActorNightly 2 days ago

    Scrum is literally a scam though. It was invented by some guy not even worth remembering who sold it to both sides (buyers and sellers of software). On the buyer side, the incentive was to encourage the seller to use scrum to communicate progress. On the seller side, they are encouraged to use scrum because the buyer wants it, and it "proven" to be an effective management tool.

    There are too many unknowns to deal with to actually make use of it, and managing the unknowns is a whole other aspect of management outside scrum. This is why most scrums essentially devolve into ad hoc work per sprint with very loose planning.

    • hahajk 2 days ago

      What project estimation/management process would you suggest as an alternative?

      • ryeats 2 days ago

        Just rank by date needed order on a kanban board and work your way through everything in order. If it's constant fight to meet deadlines it will be clear enough that things are backed up.

      • ActorNightly 2 days ago

        Its not so much as estimation as a whole work style, but

        Make it work -> Make it right -> Make it fast

        is arguably the best way to go about things, then structure your work around that.

        Ive done this with greenfield projects when I used to work for Amazon (while still ironically operating under scrum), and was able to get SD2-SD3 promo within 2 years (entering an an SD2).

        In terms of planning work, you basically allocate people as necessary. The first part deals with a lot of unknowns, so estimation is pointless - basically everyone is on board in terms of getting software up and running and talking to other software.

        Once you have that, making it right is a lot easier to estimate because you can do a lot more fine grained planning (like for example, a certain team member that worked on a feature can add all the correctness and unit testing way faster than someone who has not)

        Then making it fast is basically just optimizations, which can be done by a subset of team members while the rest work on adding features (and adding features needs to be done in the same way - make the feature just work, make it correct for all use cases, and then make it optimal)

  • jurschreuder 2 days ago

    If there was a fund to help remove sprints, scrum, Jira and standups I would donate to it.

    It's like a factory but the people are the machines.

    Probably many of the people who hate writing code for a PM at work, love working on their own open source project.

    And the difference is freedom.

    • xp84 2 days ago

      Hear, hear.

      I think higher management likes to believe that those things (sprints, scrum, Jira and standups) provide a safety net against lazy employees not working hard enough, so they cling to them. Of course, they actually do little and are pretty easy to game. Their failure to magically make all software work predictable and deterministic and all developer time fungible actually means that you still need a manager involved and close to the work to identify people who BS their way through everything and take way longer than they should.

      I'd rather be in an environment where you are given access to simple tools like kanban to prioritize and track work, and for people who don't deliver, the manager just fires them (maybe with one warning).

    • footy 2 days ago

      I wonder how much of this is company- or team-dependent. I don't mind sprints, but I also choose what to put on them myself with very rare (like twice-yearly, tops) requests from my manager.

      I don't have a PM.

      • bambambazooka 2 days ago

        Scrum gives you (the team member) the power to decide what your commitment for the next sprint will be.

        If you have a manger, that decides this, or the PO decides this, IMO that’s a key problem of your scrum implementation.

    • pino999 2 days ago

      This, it is costly, certain personal walks away. Proper roles seem to emerge anyway.

      The cost of control and the costly overhead has everything to do with atomizing the work load. Just like in a distributed system. The synchronization mechanisms get more complicate.

      The more layers, the less trustable the organization, since every manager under their manger, is a potentially corruptable.

      This makes the communication lines unclear and makes people over promise. Also distributing the workload has diminishing returns.

      I am not a fan of scrum or other systems.

    • SoftTalker 2 days ago

      Why would you expect freedom at work? Employment is by definition working for someone else, so you are going to be working on their goals, not yours.

      • tikhonj 2 days ago

        Working on somebody else's goals, and being systematically micromanaged are two very different things.

    • skinkestek 2 days ago

      I've been in the software business since 2007, which was also when I first met Jira and Scrum (at least something with 14 days sprints).

      My first encounter with Scrum (or whatever it was) was good. It felt good to work in cycles and reprioritize twice a month.

      Since then I have seen various versions of working systems and various versions of broken systems.

      The two last projects have been extremely agile, the current project has exactly 5 mandatory meetings in an average week:

      - 3 x stand ups that typically take <10 minutes and never more than 15.

      - 1 stand up plus planning (scheduled 1 hour, typically takes 20 minutes)

      - 1 stand up plus voluntary demo + retro (scheduled 1 hour, typically takes 30 minutes)

      The previous project had a lot more structure but also worked well.

      Common themes:

      - Communication is 2 way

      - Both teams are friendly and competent

      - Customer care about results and leave programming to us

      - Clear communication about what they hope, but without stress. Especially the first project were the stakes were serious: if we manage to hit the deadline we knew we would save the organization millions, but if not, nobody was in trouble. It was an actual challenge, not a scary thing.

      Have I seen dysfunctional Scrum and Agile as well? Yes!

      Some examples:

      - endless estimation meetings which not only eats programmer hours but also mean that everyone feel they have to match the estimates

      - one way communication (in a loop from customer - ux - programmer - tester - customer). Doesn't help if there are 14 days sprints when every sprint is a mini waterfall

      - taking time of the project to do agile workshop after agile workshop while continuing to be absolutely rigid

      - "release" after "release" but no actual customer

      - "finish one thing" taken to mean that styling has to be perfect even on placeholder pages

  • serial_dev 2 days ago

    It’s built to make upper management happy with the facade of productivity, middle management employed, while they squeeze the most out of the workforce and keep up the constant pressure (endless sprints).

    It’s not built for the product team (devs, designers, QA).

    In some cases, coincidentally, it might be good for some neurodivergent folks, I guess…

    …as long as they don’t mind the constant bugging for updates, interruptions, and constant pressure… I’m sure it’s an environment where people with ADHD etc shine.

  • jcims 2 days ago

    Hard disagree.

    It's there to help management control the 'au-dhd' crowd with a manufactured focus that rarely aligns with what they could naturally focus on.

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  • cardanome 2 days ago

    No, just no.

    As someone with ADHD, I am orders of magnitude more productive when I do freelancing than in an SCRUM based corporate environment and much happier. And I mean orders of magnitude, I am not being dramatic. (Though that only works if I work on something I am interested in otherwise my lows are even lower.)

    Task switching is a typical issue for both ADHD as autism people and SCRUM has so much. Just the damn dailies are complete murder for my mental health and productivity.

    The problem with SCRUM is that it focuses on everyone being a cog in the machine. Everyone replaceable. At best it allows teams to self-organize (in theory, seldom in practice) but does not acknowledge individual needs of team members.

  • joshcsimmons 2 days ago

    I agree with this

    In my opinion the entire structure of scrum and sprints is structured to help people with autism and adhd.

    Unfortunately the principles are rarely adhered to.

  • supportengineer 2 days ago

    Whenever you are forced to be around people, you are forced to put on your mask and perform. Exhausting.

MisterTea 2 days ago

I don't like this - there are things that really bother me. It is also very much one persons perspective and very specific. With that said here's my opinion:

I have issues including high anxiety and it's very clear that the author is not properly dealing with their anxiety which is driving their decision making process. It is a common comorbidity and this game feels a lot like anxiety - "do I do this or that" never knowing or trusting the answers.

The decision to not take or half take meds is a red flag. I am on meds that will make me feel like dog shit before noon If I don't take them. It's a worse feeling than any discomfort that comes from taking them, brain fog and headaches included. No way should you cold turkey these things. They may be on the wrong medication or an improper dose. Are they being honest with their doctor? Are they comfortable with their doctor and feel they are helping? Anxiety will prevent people from being honest with doctors and even themselves. There is also a lot of mistrust in doctors and some neurodivergent people are outright hostile towards doctors which is a problem they need to overcome. There are good and bad doctors like there are good and bad pizza joints - find a better doctor (or pizza.) Telehealth is a god send - more options to talk to professionals. There are specialists who are tuned into your issues and some even suffer the same! Meds also fuck up your appetite - don't forget to eat which kills your mental state.

Another thing is are you hydrated enough? I get this hyper focus where I WONT move. Like I wont get up for hours until I am or practically pissing or shitting my pants because I cant stop what I am doing. I have found this leads to dehydration and hunger that is ignored which severely degrades my mental state. I have learned to use a few simple methods to break this state and I have gotten better at consciously recognizing this state and take a short break.

Masking sucks. Don't bother cosplaying other people or trying to find normal because I got news for you: no one is really normal. Just be yourself but do be mindful of your interactions. I used to be so anxious around people that I would never look them in the eye or say hello and avoided contact. Now I make an effort to say hello, look them in the eyes, and during conversation focusing on their words while maintaining eye contact as much as possible. I would fidget and make noise to distract myself - even in meetings, likely some stimming thing, which then distracts others pissing them off. I love to doodle so I used that to my advantage and doodle in a notepad I take with me to occupy my fidgety hands so I'm not tapping or banging pens or phones. When I want to sing I keep it low and do it on a quick break, like get up and take a walk around the building while quietly singing a song or talking to myself.

We are animals and we train ourselves in all of the bad habits we have. Anxiety is a great trainer of avoidance which is massively harmful. Anxiety will make you take the path of least resistance every single time which leads to a life where you don't feel in control where every little thing becomes a trigger in this fragile state. It's mentally exhausting and you burn out. If you give in you will wind up a helpless mess. There are a lot of mental exercises that WILL help you but it takes time and effort. I used to think those self affirmations and other mind exercises were bullshit but you know what, they are only bullshit if you tell yourself that over and over (again, training.) I see too many neurodivergent people outright dismiss a lot of help and seek shelter in communities which are echo chambers that reinforce negative behaviors and even stir up anger issues leading to hostile behavior. Bad stuff.

I've learned I am not weak because of my brain chemistry and that I have the power to overcome a lot of my issues. I am not ashamed of who I am because I have no control over that aspect. It's not a perfect life but I aim to try and be as happy as I can. There is no magic pill that will cure all symptoms but some pills can tackle your most debilitating symptoms. You will not go to a therapist/psych and come out a new person in a day, week, month, or year. It is a constant state of being mindful of your mental state and developing skills to deal with these states in a positive and healthy way. You will fail along the way and that is okay - failure is natural and normal. Just get back up and try again. People respect tenacity and honestly, little by little it makes you feel better. Believing in yourself and investing the effort and time becomes rewarding. Even if its just little bits and pieces at first - it adds up. I used to think I was better off dead and that scared me which led me to make changes and seek real help. It takes time. lots of time. But it's well worth it.

I will never wear my brain chemistry as some badge of honor or costume - it's merely a part of what makes me whole. There is so much more to me (and you!) than divergent brain chemistry.

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dailyfin 2 days ago

I found the “masking” meter the most interesting—and contentious—design choice. It seems to bundle two different phenomena: the active effort of conforming (costly even alone, via internalized norms) and the risk of social detection. That may explain why self-care choices can still deplete masking in private, which confused many.

Two ideas that might deepen the simulation without adding complexity:

- Make the intent explicit by labeling masking as “conformity effort” (with a short tooltip), and split “detection risk” into a separate, slower-moving gauge that mostly changes in social contexts.

- Offer a couple of selectable “profiles” (e.g., sensory sensitivity high/low, ADHD comorbid/not) so players see how the same day plays out differently.

As you open-source it, a “debug view” showing the per-choice deltas and rationale would also help neurotypical players connect the dots. Would you consider parameterizing those profiles so the community can contribute balanced variants?

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  • thr0waway001 2 days ago

    It definitely feels like it.

    It has lost meaning for me as a normie. It’s the same thing with the word “depressed” .

    When I was in school in the ‘90s hardly anyone identified as such. These days, when I talk to my kid, and she tells me that so many people claim to be on the spectrum even though they seem ordinary.

    It’s hard to know what it means since it’s so broad.

  • eurekin 2 days ago

    Unfortunately being normal doesn't sell books, courses, consulting. Doesn't work well as a sales funnel.

  • senorrib 2 days ago

    I had this exact thought the other day when I was in a convo with my wife about autism.

  • renewiltord 2 days ago

    It's not particularly complicated. Every government scheme is eventually exploited. In this case, it is that Medicaid pays out well for autism diagnosis and treatment. Once upon a time it was dialysis centers but nephrologists had to keep their patients on bare minimum before eventually referring them to their family's dialysis center. Good business because government covers and it lasts forever.

    Autism is even better because you can diagnose it in anyone and the treatment can show whatever results you want. It's a spectrum you see.

    I think elder care or in home care in NYC is a similar operation.

    The sheer weight of human productivity is unbelievable. You have some two hundred to two fifty million Americans producing things through labour. They're all taxed and it goes into one or two places. Tap that keg and you get unbelievable wealth.

  • refulgentis 2 days ago

    Thanks for saying this. My sister was autistic, like, back in the 90s autistic, and it’s driving me insane to see this game passed off as some well thought out simulation. The scoring algorithm itself tells the story, literally everything is masking. This can be spun as “enlightening” if you’re looking to be educated, but it’s just not.

  • thomastjeffery 2 days ago

    It's literally in the name: Autism Spectrum Disorder.

    You experience autistic traits, but not intensely enough to be a disorder? Congratulations, you can leave the word "disorder" out when you describe yourself.

    Everyone masks, but some people mask so often and so intensely that it's like performing a second life; all while hoping your audience doesn't notice. Also, it physically hurts to do, because the interactions you are performing overstimulate your brain.

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    I'm assuming you are an adult. Would you like to make social room for someone to be themselves around you instead of perform the role of "functional adult"? If you don't want to make that accommodation, is it something that you are willing to do anyway?

    • byearthithatius 2 days ago

      Making "social room" is incredibly broad. I am fine with someone wearing what they want, speaking in a manner they desire, or stepping away if they are stressed. But I won't accept anything.

      It all depends on how large the accommodation is. What if they say my talking overstimulates them and I must write everything down. Also the stress from masking is too much so we can only work together 30 minutes a day. In that case no, I would need to work with someone else. Not because I dislike them, but because we are not getting a project done that way.

      • thomastjeffery 2 days ago

        > What if they say my talking overstimulates them and I must write everything down.

        The goal is to resolve the problem, not to bow to every person's whim. How many accommodations are they making for you that you are unaware of?

        You can't be responsible to manage a person's disorder. You can, however, actively try to help. The most important distinction here is how you frame your participation.

        One of the best ways to help is to explicitly say that you want to help and compromise, but have clear boundaries you are unwilling to cross. The default assumption, that you are unwilling to help simply because you find it inconvenient to do so, is usually accurate. It takes effort to disprove that assumption, but that proof can relieve a lot of stress.

        What you have done in the comment I responded to, has had quite the opposite effect. I understand it wasn't likely your intention, but your communication implied that you are generally unwilling to make an accommodation until you personally believe it is necessary. That implication is an insurmountable boundary that every ADHD/ASD person is intimately familiar with. You are the only one in a position to move that boundary.