Comment by shadowgovt

Comment by shadowgovt 15 hours ago

27 replies

Meanwhile, nothing has changed on Mastodon.

(I personally don't think Bluesky is a bad idea and I'm glad for more things in the ecosystem. But the point of decentralizing isn't just to protect against editorial constraint by the service owner; it's to protect against government pressure too. Mississippi could go after Mastodon service providers, but it'll cost them a lot more to find and chase 'em all).

esafak 14 hours ago

If you think technology will protect you from censorship look at China. They can stop all but the most persistent users. It is just a question of how much they care to; they have the means. And most users are closer to Homer Simpson than Edward Snowden.

  • shadowgovt 14 hours ago

    Mississippi would have a hell of a time convincing every ISP in the US to put up a firewall too.

    They could try, but not even China could build an impregnable firewall.

    • ajb 11 hours ago

      They don't have to go after all of them, they just have to make an example of one. See: qwest's Joseph Nacchio: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

      • devmor 10 hours ago

        God, Nacchio's story is infuriating.

        "Sorry, you can't use this evidence that exonerates you - it would be bad for the government."

    • nemomarx 13 hours ago

      If you get 75% coverage (or let's say the 5 biggest ISPs here, comcast and so on) you don't need to really chase the long tail of small providers that hard. It would effectively be unavailable to non technical people at that point.

      • TheDauthi 10 hours ago

        AT&T, Comcast, C-Spire. I don't know anyone who is on anything else here unless it's through a university.

    • irusensei 5 hours ago

      I heard from a friend that went to China and the hotel staff right away asks if they want to VPN their room.

      • rwbhn 3 hours ago

        Using a staff provided VPN sounds iffy.

    • avs733 13 hours ago

      six months ago I would have said the same thing about US universities.

      • terminalshort 13 hours ago

        Universities? The primary revenue source for basically 100% of US universities is the federal government. The concept of a private university in the US is little more than a legal technicality.

    • immibis 10 hours ago

      They don't need to. If only 1% of the people are able to access censored content and therefore hold censored ideas, the majority will treat them as crazy pariahs.

      It's the same mechanism that makes us consider the 1% of flat earthers crazy. Sadly the mechanism works based on how many people believe a thing, not whether it's true, so it can also block true things if only 1% of people believe them.

      • shkkmo 7 hours ago

        We think flat earthers are crazy because it is a fairly trivial thing to prove them wrong. If you believe something that is that easily disproved AND widely understood to be so, there is clearly something wrong with you.

  • immibis 10 hours ago

    Then we need to make every user the most persistent user. How many governments have given up because Tor Browser ships anti-censorship defaults?

  • beeflet 14 hours ago

    technology does not work unless you use it

    • tclancy 13 hours ago

      What does that mean?

      • beeflet 12 hours ago

        China isn't an example of the impact of poltics vs technology because chinese people generally don't use de-centralized or private tech in the first place

  • est 8 hours ago

    On a side note I have very credible source telling that China might want open up the Internet "in a matter of days"

    idk how "open" would this mean but drastic changes are coming.

brigade 7 hours ago

Mississippi can’t unless they can establish personal jurisdiction over a specific Mastodon operator. Which if that instance’s owner/operators don’t live in Mississippi, probably requires a novel application of the Zippo test [1] that’s a bit questionable for how noncommercial Mastodon tries to be.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_jurisdiction_in_Inter...

Waterluvian 14 hours ago

Or they pick a few and make an example out of them.

  • shadowgovt 14 hours ago

    I believe the example would be "Good luck with that I'm in Germany."

    • egypturnash 13 hours ago

      That would be mastodon.social, yes, but there's lots of instances that are not.

      Like I run one and I'm in Louisiana and I sure do not have the funds to mount a legal defense.

      • Forbo 4 hours ago

        Sounds like a failure to properly build a threat model. Consider relocating your instance and begin using privacy mitigations like VPN.

        Much cheaper than an attorney.