Comment by esafak

Comment by esafak 15 hours ago

21 replies

If you think technology will protect you from censorship look at China. They can stop all but the most persistent users. It is just a question of how much they care to; they have the means. And most users are closer to Homer Simpson than Edward Snowden.

shadowgovt 15 hours ago

Mississippi would have a hell of a time convincing every ISP in the US to put up a firewall too.

They could try, but not even China could build an impregnable firewall.

  • ajb 12 hours ago

    They don't have to go after all of them, they just have to make an example of one. See: qwest's Joseph Nacchio: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

    • devmor 12 hours ago

      God, Nacchio's story is infuriating.

      "Sorry, you can't use this evidence that exonerates you - it would be bad for the government."

  • nemomarx 15 hours ago

    If you get 75% coverage (or let's say the 5 biggest ISPs here, comcast and so on) you don't need to really chase the long tail of small providers that hard. It would effectively be unavailable to non technical people at that point.

    • TheDauthi 11 hours ago

      AT&T, Comcast, C-Spire. I don't know anyone who is on anything else here unless it's through a university.

  • irusensei 6 hours ago

    I heard from a friend that went to China and the hotel staff right away asks if they want to VPN their room.

    • rwbhn 5 hours ago

      Using a staff provided VPN sounds iffy.

  • avs733 15 hours ago

    six months ago I would have said the same thing about US universities.

    • terminalshort 14 hours ago

      Universities? The primary revenue source for basically 100% of US universities is the federal government. The concept of a private university in the US is little more than a legal technicality.

  • immibis 11 hours ago

    They don't need to. If only 1% of the people are able to access censored content and therefore hold censored ideas, the majority will treat them as crazy pariahs.

    It's the same mechanism that makes us consider the 1% of flat earthers crazy. Sadly the mechanism works based on how many people believe a thing, not whether it's true, so it can also block true things if only 1% of people believe them.

    • shkkmo 9 hours ago

      We think flat earthers are crazy because it is a fairly trivial thing to prove them wrong. If you believe something that is that easily disproved AND widely understood to be so, there is clearly something wrong with you.

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      • throwaway290 7 hours ago

        We don't think that people who think there's a bearded man in heaven are crazy, even if that's crazier than thinking earth is flat.

        We don't think they are crazy because they are not 1%, they are majority.

        Most people think flat earthers are crazy not because they proved them wrong. Just most people around them think flat earthers are crazy and that's enough.

immibis 11 hours ago

Then we need to make every user the most persistent user. How many governments have given up because Tor Browser ships anti-censorship defaults?

beeflet 15 hours ago

technology does not work unless you use it

  • tclancy 14 hours ago

    What does that mean?

    • beeflet 14 hours ago

      China isn't an example of the impact of poltics vs technology because chinese people generally don't use de-centralized or private tech in the first place

est 9 hours ago

On a side note I have very credible source telling that China might want open up the Internet "in a matter of days"

idk how "open" would this mean but drastic changes are coming.