steveBK123 7 hours ago

Terrible accident and the video from the Brooklyn side is insane, they seemed to drift quite close to shore .. could have been an even bigger disaster.

Note that the tall ship had been visiting South Street Seaport from which it departed. This is extremely close to the Brooklyn Bridge, roughly 1/8th of a mile. The East River has some strong currents, even at 5 knots that's something like only 2.5 minutes to drift into the bridge if they lost power when they left port.

This was part of a preparation for a big US 250th anniversary tall ship event next year in NYC, in which there will be far more ships next summer. Hopefully they re-evaluate port operations in time for that. From the video it looks like a tug ship was close enough to try and help, but not close enough to be of any use. Given the above math, it seems like a more proactive escort for tall ships may be in order..

edit: TikTok of the Brooklyn side showing how close it came to running aground https://www.tiktok.com/@vladmad9/video/7505576469876296991

  • ilamont 5 hours ago

    > The East River has some strong currents

    The tide was also coming in. If it were ebb tide and mechanical failure it might have drifted away from the bridge (albeit risking collision with something else)

haunter 12 hours ago

You can see on the video that all masts were fully manned. RIP

https://reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1kp9sxn/ship...

codr7 13 hours ago

I've only ever heard of two ships hitting bridges; both recently, both in the US, both lost power and drifted into the bridge.

At least this bridge fall like a house of cards, I guess because the masts broke first.

55555 12 hours ago

RIP to everyone who died. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but when you're standing on the mast, how can you not tell that you're about to collide with the bridge?

  • ceejayoz 12 hours ago

    You can. You just can’t get down in time.

    • brador 11 hours ago

      Why not just jump into the water?

      • prmoustache 10 hours ago

        The boat being wider than the mast, you have a near 100% probability of just hitting the deck even when propelling yourself.

        Life is not a Super Hero action movie.

      • aetimmes 6 hours ago

        Jumping into water from roughly the height of the Brooklyn Bridge is generally what people do when they _want_ to end their own lives.

      • eCa 10 hours ago

        An unprepared 40 meter jump onto water? Even if you manage to miss the boat, water is like concrete from that height.

        • pmalynin 8 hours ago

          My back of the envelope math says velocity of about 28 m/s — call it an even 100km/h. Yeah seems kinda tough.

      • Spooky23 7 hours ago

        Into East River currents?id rather take my chances than risk certain death hitting the deck or falling into the river and getting dragged under.

  • steveBK123 7 hours ago

    Boat was supposed to be going the other way, lost power and drifted in fast current. It's only 1/8th of a mile from port to the bridge so there was at most 2.5 minutes of drifting, but possibly quite less depending on where they lost power and how fast the current was at the time.

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  • Polizeiposaune 7 hours ago

    In addition to what others have mentioned, crewmembers up in the rigging are most likely wearing some sort of safety harness which would not be quick to remove/unhook to allow them to dive into the water.

sinuhe69 7 hours ago

They said the ship lost power, but we can see the light chain were all lit up. Were they just for decoration, or where did they draw the power from?

  • loloquwowndueo 6 hours ago

    Electrical power (for lights) may well be decoupled from engine power for the propellers.

    • alistairSH 6 hours ago

      Yep. Sailing vessels have batteries and generators to power things when under sail.

Rodeoclash 9 hours ago

I visited this ship when it was in Melbourne. Heartbreaking.

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metalman 10 hours ago

accidents happen, https://maritime-executive.com/article/video-cma-cgm-feeder-...

the one in new york is bad because it's cadets, on a world tour, they are the best, representing there country, and flag generaly these national training ships meet up somewhere each year and do a sail past, be interesting to see if Mexico pulls it together and can step new masts and be sea worthy in time

ars 13 hours ago

The article says it lost power, but the photo shows a wind powered vessel with sails.

Some kind of hybrid ship?

  • perlgeek 9 hours ago

    You can see both from the videos and the photos that the sails weren't set, so I can't have been wind-powered at the time of the accident.

    Operating a large, wind-powered vessel in a harbor or near shore is very tricky and dangerous (what if the wind suddenly doesn't provide enough propulsion to counteract some water current? what if it suddenly changes direction? breaking is also very tricky) which is why it's not done, and some auxiliary engine provides propulsion.

    • zeeZ 7 hours ago

      From the video you can also see that it's moving backwards.

  • jabl 12 hours ago

    Practically all sailing vessels in use (some racing sailboats etc excepted) have auxiliary engines for moving in constricted areas like ports. Considering this accident happened with people up in the rigging, they were presumably hoisting or lowering the sails when the engine lost power and they drifted into the bridge.

    • thomasfedb 10 hours ago

      I’ve heard (can’t tell for sure from the photos I’ve seen) that they were “dressing the yards” at the time - which is when the crew stands on top of the yards (the horizontal spars) side by side. It’s done for ceremonial or celebratory reasons, not for work.

    • grues-dinner 5 hours ago

      I'd be surprised if any port would easily permit such a ship to come or go under sail power. Sailing a ship into port is risky at the best of times. Yachts may do it into a marina when the wind and tide are just right for fun it as a little bit of a flex. But ports have work to do and having out-of-control sailing ships three sheets to the wind, so to speak, having misjudged the tide or whatever, is just dangerous.

      Also, having your ship stuck in port for days waiting for wind and tide to be suitable for leaving would have been commonplace before engines, as would bring becalmed for weeks on end and being unable to evade dangerous storms. None are probably high on the list of things these ships really want to be doing today.

  • SllX 13 hours ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cuauht%C3%A9moc_(BE01)

    Looks like it. It’s a sail training ship, but it has an engine looking at the infobox, presumably so it’s not relying on the sails for tours such as this, and maybe because the ship itself is for training and they need a failsafe? To be honest, I’m not gathering what the purpose of such a ship is to a modern Navy other than maintaining cultural continuity and a tradition in wind sailing.

    EDIT: I'm still inside the edit window but there have been several good answers below. Rather than responding to each one individually let me just say y'all have provided some great answers. Thanks!

    • Tomte 13 hours ago

      Learning the fundamentals.

      Germany puts all aspiring naval officers through a tour on the Gorch Fock.

      It‘s kot just culture, although those ships also serve as excellent ambassadors to far-flung countries.

      • murderfs 12 hours ago

        Yeah, well, if you've invested 135 million euros into repairing a sailboat, you might as well put it to use...

      • raverbashing 12 hours ago

        I suppose "not hitting bridges" is part of the fundamentals

        But it's really curious how it seems those collisions have been becoming more frequent (or only our awareness of it?)

        Another alternative is "the sort" working better than ever which means that maritime employment in some places does not attract the best professionals

      • nickysielicki 12 hours ago

        The fundamentals have obviously changed. At no point in any serious engagement will it ever be important to have experience with sailing. This ship should have been dry docked and turned into a museum years ago. Two people are dead.

    • alistairSH 6 hours ago

      The USS Constitution is still operated by the USN. No longer solely a training vessel, but fills a similar ceremonial role.

      And the USCG operates USCGC Eagle as a training vessel for future officers attending their Academy.

  • melevittfl 13 hours ago

    Sailboats, except for the smallest ones, usually have a motor and propeller to move without relying on wind.

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