Comment by joshstrange

Perhaps the real takeaway is that there really is only one product, two if you count image generation.

Perhaps the only reason Cursor is so good is because editing code is so similar to the basic function of an LLM without anything wrapped around it.

Like, someone prove me wrong by linking 3 transformative AI products that:

1. Have nothing to do with "chatting" to a thin wrapper (couldn't just be done inside a plain LLM with a couple of file uploads added for additional context)

2. Don't involve traditional ML that has existed for years and isn't part of the LLM "revolution."

3. Has nothing to do with writing code

For example, I recently used an AI chatbot that was supposed to help me troubleshoot a consumer IoT device. It basically regurgitated steps from the manual and started running around in circles because my issue was simply not covered by documentation. I then had to tell it to send me to a human. The human had more suggestions that the AI couldn't think of but still couldn't help because the product was a piece of shit.

Or just look at Amazon Q. Ask it a basic AWS question and it'll just give you a bogus "sorry I can't help with that" answer where you just know that running over to chatgpt.com will actually give you a legitimate answer. Most AI "products" seem to be castrated versions of ChatGPT/Claude/Gemini.

That sort of overall garbage experience seems to be what is most frequently associated with AI. Basically, a futile attempt to replace low-wage employees that didn't end up delivering any value to anyone, especially since any company interested in eliminating employees just because "fuck it why not" without any real strategy probably has a busted-ass product to begin with.

Putting me on hold for 15 minutes would have been more effective at getting me to go away and no compute cycles would have been necessary.

I have fed LLMs PDF files, asked about the content and gotten nonsense. I would be very hesitant to trust them to give me an accurate summary of my emails.

LLMs are terrible at summarizing technical emails where the details matter. But you might get away with it, at least for a while, in low performing organizations that tolerate preventable errors.

I got an email from the restaurant saying "We will confirm your dinner reservation as soon as we can", and Apple Intelligence summarizing it as "Dinner reservation confirmed." Maybe it can not only summarize, but also see the future??

> LLMs are so good at summarizing that I should basically only ever read one email—from the AI

This could get really fun with some hidden text prompt injection. Just match the font and background color.

Maybe these tools should be doing the classic air gap approach of taking a picture of the rendered content and analyzing that.

What system are you using to do this? I do think that this would provide value for me. Currently, I barely read my emails, which I'm not exactly proud of, but it's just the reality. So something that summarized the important things every day would be nice.

I fed an LLM the record of a chat between me and a friend, and asked it to summarize the times that we met in the past 3 months.

Every time it gave me different results, and not once did it actually get it all right.

LLMs are horrible for summarizing things. Summarizing is the art of turning low information density text into high information density text. LLMs can’t deal in details, so they can never accurately summarize anything.

Do you ever check its work?

What is the reason to unsub ever in that world? Are you saying the LLM can't skip emails? Seems like an arbitrary rule

Oh, I'm sorry if it wasn't clear. I use Claude and ChatGPT to talk to about a ton of topics. I'm mostly referring to AI features being added to existing SaaS or software products. I regularly find that moving the conversation to ChatGPT or Claude is much better than trying to use anything that they may have built into their existing product.

o3 has been a big improvement on Deep Research IMHO. o1 (or whatever model I originally used with it) was interesting but the results weren't always great. o3 has done some impressive research tasks for me and, unlike the last model I used, when I "check its work" it has always been correct.

Setting a timer and setting a reminder. Occasionally converting units of measure. That's all I can rely on Siri (or Alexa) for and even then sometimes Siri doesn't make it clear if it did the thing. Most importantly, "set a reminder", it shows the text, and then the UI disappears, sometimes the reminder was created, sometimes not. It's maddening since I'm normally asking to be reminded about something important that I need to get recorded/tracked so I can "forget" it.

The number of times I've had 2 reminders fire back-to-back because I asked Siri again to create one since I was _sure_ it didn't create the first one.

Siri is so dumb and it's insane that more heads have not rolled at Apple because of it (I'm aware of the recent shakeup, it's about a decade too late). Lastly, whoever decided to ship the new Siri UI without any of the new features should lose their job. What a squandered opportunity and effectively fraud IMHO.

More and more it's clear that Tim Cook is not the person that Apple needs at the helm. My mom knows Siri sucks, why doesn't the CEO and/or why is he incapable of doing anything to fix it. Get off your Trump-kissing, over-relying-on-China ass and fix your software! (Siri is not the only thing rotten)

I've anecdotally tested translations by ripping the video with subtitles and having whisper subtitle it, and also asking several AI to translate the .srt or .vtt file (subtotext I think does this conversion if you don't wanna waste tokens on the metadata)

Whisper large-v3, the largest model I have, is pretty good, getting nearly identical translations to chatgpt or whatever, Google's default speech to text. The fun stuff is when you ask for text to text translations from LLMs.

I did a real small writeup with an example but I don't have a place to publish nor am I really looking for one.

I used whisper to transcribe nearly every "episode" of the Love Line syndicated radio show from 1997-2007 or so. It took, iirc, several days. I use it to grep the audio, as it were. I intend to do the same with my DVDs and such, just so I never have to Google "what movie / tv show is that line from?" I also have a lot of art bell shows, and a few others to transcribe.

I've been using Fastmail in lieu of gmail for ten or eleven years. If you have a domain and control the DNS, I recommend it. At least you're not on Google anymore, and you're paying for fastmail, so it feels better - less like something is reading your emails.

Strava employees claim that casual users like the AI activity summaries. Supposedly users who don't know anything about exercise physiology didn't know how to interpret the various metrics and charts. I don't know if I believe that but it's at least plausible.

Personally I wish I could turn off the AI features, it's a waste of space.

Strava's integration is just so lackluster. It literally turns four numbers from right above the slop message into free text. Thanks Strava, I'm a pro user for a decade, finally I can read "This was a hard workout" after my run. Such useful, much AI.

At this point, "we aren't adding any AI features" is a selling point for me. I've gotten real tired of AI slop and hype.

I use AI chatbots for 2+ hours a day but the Garmin thing was too much for me. The day they released their AI Garmin+ subscription, I took off my Forerunner and put it in a drawer. The whole point of Garmin is that it feels emotionally clean to use. Garmin adding a scammy subscription makes the ecosystem feel icky, and I'm not going to wear a piece of clothing that makes me feel icky. I don't think I'll buy a Garmin watch again.

(Since taking off the watch, I miss some of the data but my overall health and sleep haven't changed.)

The catch is: does anyone actually read this stuff? I've been taking meeting notes for meetings I run (without AI) for around 6 months now and I suspect no one other than myself has looked at the notes I've put together. I've only looked back at those notes once or twice.

A big part of the problem is even finding this content in a modern corporate intranet (i.e. Confluence) and having a bunch of AI-generated text in there as well isn't going to help.

Is Leexi's AI note-taker able to raise its hand in a meeting (or otherwise interrupt) and ask for clarification?

As a human note-taker, I find the most impactful result of real-time synthesis is the ability to identify and address conflicting information in the moment. That ability is reliant on domain knowledge and knowledge of the meeting attendees.

But if the AI could participate in the meeting in real time like I can, it'd be a huge difference.

But that isn't writing for me, it is taking notes for me. There is a difference. I don't need something to write for me - I know how to write. What I need is someone to clean up grammar, fact check the details, and otherwise clean things up. I have dysgraphia - a writing disorder - so I need help more than most, but I still don't need something to write my drafts for me: I can get that done well enough.

In my company have a few "summaries" made by Zoom neural net, which we share for memes on the joke chats, they are so hilariously bad. No one uses that functionality seriously. I don't know about your app, but I've yet to see a working note taker in the wild.

I've used multiple of these types of services and I'll be honest, I just don't really get the value. I'm in a ton of meetings and I run multiple teams but I just take notes myself in the meetings. Every time I've compared my own notes to the notes that the the AI note taker took, it's missing 0-2 critical things or it focuses on the wrong thing in the meeting. I've even had the note taker say essentially the opposite of what we decided on because we flip-flopped multiple times during the meeting.

Every mistake the AI makes is completely understandable, but it's only understandable because I was in the meeting and I am reviewing the notes right after the meeting. A week later, I wouldn't remember it, which is why I still just take my own notes in meetings. That said, having having a recording of the meeting and or some AI summary notes can be very useful. I just have not found that I can replace my note-taking with an AI just yet.

One issue I have is that there doesn't seem to be a great way to "end" the meeting for the note taker. I'm sure this is configurable, but some people at work use Supernormal and I've just taken to kicking it out of of meetings as soon as it tries to join. Mostly this is because I have meetings that run into another meeting, and so I never end the Zoom call between the meetings (I just use my personal Zoom room for all meetings). That means that the AI note taker will listen in on the second meeting and attribute it to the first meeting by accident. That's not the end of the world, but Supernormal, at least by default, will email everyone who was part of the the meeting a rundown of what happened in the meeting. This becomes a problem when you have a meeting with one group of people and then another group of people, and you might be talking about the first group of people in the second meeting ( i.e. management issues). So far I have not been burned badly by this, but I have had meeting notes sent out to to people that covered subjects that weren't really something they needed to know about or shouldn't know about in some cases.

Lastly, I abhor people using an AI notetaker in lieu of joining a meeting. As I said above, I block AI note takers from my zoom calls but it really frustrates me when an AI joins but the person who configured the AI does not. I'm not interested in getting messages "You guys talked about XXX but we want to do YYY" or "We shouldn't do XXX and it looks like you all decided to do that". First, you don't get to weigh in post-discussion, that's incredibly rude and disrespectful of everyone's time IMHO. Second, I'm not going to help explain what your AI note taker got wrong, that's not my job. So yeah, I'm not a huge fan of AI note takers though I do see where they can provide some value.

We've had the built-in Teams summary AI for a while now and it absolutely misses important details and nuance that causes problems later.

I'm not a CTO so maybe your wold is not my world, but for me the advantage of taking the notes myself is that only I know what's important to me, or what was news to me. Teams Premium - you can argue it's so much worse than your product - takes notes like "they discussed about the advantages of ABC" but maybe exactly those advantages are advantageous to know right? And so on. Then like others said, I will review my notes once to see if there's a followup, or a topic to research, and off they go to the bin. I have yet to need the meeting notes of last year. Shortly put: notes apps are to me a solution in search of a problem.

You do you.

I attend a lot of meetings and I have reviewed the results of an AI note taker maybe twice ever. Getting an email with a todo-list saves a bit of time of writing down action items during a meeting, but I'd hardly consider it a game changer. "Wait, what'd we talk about in that meeting" is just not a problem I encounter often.

My experience with AI note takers is that they are useful for people who didn't attend the meeting and people who are being onboarded and want to be able to review what somebody was teaching them in the meeting and much much much less useful for other situations.