Comment by edanm
Comment by edanm 2 days ago
But Israel and Hezbollah are at war, and these are (reportedly) devices used by Hezbollah operatives.
A war Hezbollah declared, btw.
Comment by edanm 2 days ago
But Israel and Hezbollah are at war, and these are (reportedly) devices used by Hezbollah operatives.
A war Hezbollah declared, btw.
> Yes, but these are more akin to bombings and not surgical strikes.
Not sure why you think that? If reports are true, these were relatively small bombings that only impacted people carrying a pager that was specifically handed out to Hezbollah members, and presumably only military members. There was collateral damage, but far less than there would be by even the most surgical of surgical strikes (which usually refers to sending in highly targeted missiles to take out, say, only a single apartment).
Of course we might learn that that isn't accurate, but that's the story as I currently understand it.
And I guess like in Gaza, civilians are de facto complicit. Plus they are Arabs and not Jewish so can we really apply human rights to them? Are they even actually humans? I guess it’s not genocide when it’s done to animals. /s
1. We are guilty by association. 2. When a guy makes a choice to join up with a terrorist organization he will bring that guilt home with him. It will affect those around him.
We may be free to choose but we are not free to choose the consequences of our actions. Even when they affect the innocent we associate with. If this is a new thought to you read a few more books.
Here are some suggestions... The Holy Bible Hillbilly Elegy The Narnia Series The Hobbit The Lord of the Rings
We are not guilty by association. Becoming a militant does make you are valid target though and terror organizations are mostly militant.
The reports say that these devices were specifically part of shipments that went specifically to Hezbollah.
Which makes sense - I don't think the US Army is using the same walkies that a random hospital in the US uses, for example.
It's far too early for anyone to know that with certainty. And (for what feels like the nth time), Hezbollah is not just a bunch of guys with weapons, it's the civil administration in large parts of the country.
Also if the situation were reversed and Hezbollah carried out an attack like this on the IDF, I really doubt the Israelis would just suck it up and say 'oh well occupational hazard of military life, guess we'll retaliate somehow.'
> It's far too early for anyone to know that with certainty. And (for what feels like the nth time), Hezbollah is not just a bunch of guys with weapons, it's the civil administration in large parts of the country.
Sure. Could be those pagers also went to civil Hezbollah administrators. It doesn't seem likely to me, given what we've seen so far. E.g. it's been two days, surely we'd have heard of the many innocent civilians with pagers blowing up; I've heard that, but only as speculation, with no concrete evidence that's happened, except for a few tragic cases of innocent bystanders getting hurt.
Also, it's fairly likely that beepers for the military wing of Hezbollah are kept separate from civilian Hezbollah administrators.
Of course, I come at this from a more trusting-of-Israel place than others. But we don't have to jump to conclusions - we can just wait a few more days as more details emerge.
> Also if the situation were reversed and Hezbollah carried out an attack like this on the IDF, I really doubt the Israelis would just suck it up and say 'oh well occupational hazard of military life, guess we'll retaliate somehow.'
I mean, what would Israelis do instead of retaliating? You're talking as if Hezbollah isn't constantly trying attempting to inflict damage on Israel. Hezbollah declared war on Israel, and has been firing rockets at Israel for the last almost year, causing several deaths, massive property and environmental damage, and the internal displacement of almost 100k Israelis.
Hezbollah was formed to attack Israel. It did form a political party at some point but all of them are militants.
Unfortunately, I don't know that we can know that there is such a clear distinction. Hezbollah also provides many other governmental services, so I don't think we can totally rule out the possibility that, e.g., ambulances could be driven by Hezbollah members who use these radios.
Amazing that people can't even read these days. Literally in the article, this wasn't all walkies.
Yes, but these are more akin to bombings and not surgical strikes.
We’ll know more in the coming days on the impact, but I too feel uncomfortable even as someone who’s mostly supportive of Israel.