edanm 2 days ago

The reports say that these devices were specifically part of shipments that went specifically to Hezbollah.

Which makes sense - I don't think the US Army is using the same walkies that a random hospital in the US uses, for example.

  • anigbrowl 2 days ago

    It's far too early for anyone to know that with certainty. And (for what feels like the nth time), Hezbollah is not just a bunch of guys with weapons, it's the civil administration in large parts of the country.

    Also if the situation were reversed and Hezbollah carried out an attack like this on the IDF, I really doubt the Israelis would just suck it up and say 'oh well occupational hazard of military life, guess we'll retaliate somehow.'

    • edanm 2 days ago

      > It's far too early for anyone to know that with certainty. And (for what feels like the nth time), Hezbollah is not just a bunch of guys with weapons, it's the civil administration in large parts of the country.

      Sure. Could be those pagers also went to civil Hezbollah administrators. It doesn't seem likely to me, given what we've seen so far. E.g. it's been two days, surely we'd have heard of the many innocent civilians with pagers blowing up; I've heard that, but only as speculation, with no concrete evidence that's happened, except for a few tragic cases of innocent bystanders getting hurt.

      Also, it's fairly likely that beepers for the military wing of Hezbollah are kept separate from civilian Hezbollah administrators.

      Of course, I come at this from a more trusting-of-Israel place than others. But we don't have to jump to conclusions - we can just wait a few more days as more details emerge.

      > Also if the situation were reversed and Hezbollah carried out an attack like this on the IDF, I really doubt the Israelis would just suck it up and say 'oh well occupational hazard of military life, guess we'll retaliate somehow.'

      I mean, what would Israelis do instead of retaliating? You're talking as if Hezbollah isn't constantly trying attempting to inflict damage on Israel. Hezbollah declared war on Israel, and has been firing rockets at Israel for the last almost year, causing several deaths, massive property and environmental damage, and the internal displacement of almost 100k Israelis.

    • raxxorraxor 19 hours ago

      Hezbollah was formed to attack Israel. It did form a political party at some point but all of them are militants.

  • pdabbadabba 2 days ago

    Unfortunately, I don't know that we can know that there is such a clear distinction. Hezbollah also provides many other governmental services, so I don't think we can totally rule out the possibility that, e.g., ambulances could be driven by Hezbollah members who use these radios.

    • tshaddox 2 days ago

      The U.S. military also provides humanitarian aid in the U.S.

      • dralley a day ago

        Hezbollah is not the Lebanese military. They are a paramilitary gang, comparable to the cartels in Mexico, that gained too much strength for the actual Lebanese military to deal with. Mostly because Iran trained fighters and sent weapons.

        Actually a better example than the cartels might be the CIA sponsored paramilitaries in South America. Except Hezbollah is sponsored by Iran obviously.

      • pdabbadabba 2 days ago

        Yes. But my sense is that the line between Hezbollah's activities and normal government functions is much blurrier in Lebanon.

  • pvaldes 2 days ago

    Fortunately reports never would lie

ActionHank 2 days ago

Amazing that people can't even read these days. Literally in the article, this wasn't all walkies.