Comment by tapanjk

Comment by tapanjk 3 days ago

A thought experiment, something you may not want to hear. Have you thought of playing along and see if you would actually like going back to office full time? Also, while you are at office 5 days a week, how about try to get to the next level before you switch? Many will leave (just like you are planning to) and hence it will be easier for the long timers to get promoted in an environment where there will be a lot of inflow of new employees at all levels.

I am not suggesting that this is the right way to think about your situation, but that it is 'another way' to think about it. Who knows, you might end up profiting from this adversity. Wish you all the best!

robin_reala 3 days ago

It’s not always that easy. Many people over the last few years have reorganised their life under the expectation of continued hybrid working, and can’t trivially reorganise it back to full time.

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lnsru 3 days ago

I am one of these naive people who expected happy home office forever. It bit me hard, because I bought an old house outside of big city and spent the time I would need to commute renovating it. The return to the office happened, I quit. The other place was weird. It advertised generous home office ruling. But under very special manager home office was forbidden. It was just too stupid to file a complaint to HR and I left. So my construction site was stuck for 1,5 years and it was very stressful.
Found by accident a job near my home. Small company with private office for me and unlimited home office ruling. Use home office only when I am ill. During this period I found out, that I absolutely love my private office and hate daily commuting and open offices.

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tonyedgecombe 3 days ago

I remember being surprised during the pandemic just how many people were uprooting their lives and moving to remote locations. Even though there has been a trend towards remote work over the previous decade I always thought there would be a bounce back and some of those people would be stuffed.

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paulcole 3 days ago

> It’s not always that easy
Where did they say it was easy?
They said maybe try going back to the office and seeing if you like it.
Heresy here on HN, I know.

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cruffle_duffle 3 days ago

That seems like it was a mistake. WFH was supposed to be temporary during the pandemic. Not sure what people were thinking…

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- TrueGeek 3 days ago
  
  "supposed to" depends on the company. The company I was working at announced immediately that we were work from home forever. They canceled leases on over a dozen offices across the world and let us come in and take the old furniture.
  
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lopkeny12ko 3 days ago

> Many people over the last few years have reorganised their life under the expectation of continued hybrid working
Why should an employer bear the burden of an employee's own poor decision making?

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- sulandor 3 days ago
  
  because it's true the other way
  
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  Rinzler89 3 days ago
  
  But you're not forced to work for a company that wants you in the office, you're free to seek employment elsewhere that matches your remote requirements similar how a company isn't forced to hire remote workers only. You are both free to choose the best options that fit your demands if you can find them.
  Jobs and employers aren't for life. If you uprooted and reorganize your whole life based on the circumstances of a once in a lifetime global pandemic expecting things to stay like that forever, you've done goofed.
  
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- MrScruff 3 days ago
  
  Not sure why you're being downvoted. Unless the employee has hybrid working in their contract then the decision to reorganise their life around it is their own responsibility, not the company's.
  
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znpy 3 days ago

Pardon me but this is a stupid argument. If OP is working at amazon they’ve already been going three days a week. If they did not like going three days a week why should they like going five days a week?

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dmitrygr 3 days ago

> A thought experiment

> Have you thought of playing along and see if you would actually like going back to office full time

That is not a thought experiment. That is a "uproot your whole life" experiment.

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kstrauser 3 days ago

“Hear me out, what if you might like sticking your hand in a blender?”
I genuinely miss seeing my pals at work and eating lunch with the gang. I genuinely do not miss the commute, the struggle to get things done with a million distractions around me, not having my dog sleeping in her basket underneath my desk in my home office, and seeing my kids before and after school.
There, thought experiment concluded. I didn’t like it.

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- bigstrat2003 3 days ago
  
  Comparing working from the office to sticking your hand in a blender is such an absurd hyperbole that it completely discredits your argument.
  
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  Yizahi 3 days ago
  
  Hand in the blender can be healed for a few tens of thousands of dollars and a year of rehab probably. Commute to office takes approximately one full month of human life every year, unpaid and uncompensated. So that's actually a very reasonable comparison. It's just most humans are terrible with estimating long term costs and benefits, so they tend to ignore the ridiculously insane cost of commute over whole career.
  
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  consteval 3 days ago
  
  > absurd hyperbole
  It's actually not, if you stop and consider the true cost of working and commuting to an office. It's just we're conditioned NOT to consider the true cost, so we externalize a bunch of the costs.
  For example, you don't consider the CO2 from your car, or the time spent driving, or the risk of death. If you factor in just the time spent driving, suddenly smoking a pack a day is better for your lifespan than being in an office.
  
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  tessierashpool9 3 days ago
  
  but subtlety is usually lost at the folks here and this comparison will at least be understood. then again - the thought of having to go back to the office is evoking a feeling not too different from anticipating something quite painful. too many colleagues are just unbearable and the waste of time having to commute unpaidly ... maybe i'd prefer a quick blender session for another year of home office even.
  
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  kstrauser 3 days ago
  
  Thank you. Sure it was hyperbolic, but it was in response to the notion that maybe we’re all too shortsighted to see that we’d like full time RTO if only we’d try it. There are certain things I don’t need to try before knowing that I won’t enjoy them. I’ve worked in offices enough decades to have sufficient data: I strongly prefer WFH. “Maybe you’ll like it this time!” is weak sauce. I’m not a delicate flower who couldn’t RTO if situations demanded it. I would not help me do a better job for my company, though, and I don’t want to.
  This is academic for me. I have an amazing job at a company all-in on WFH to the point we just downsized a physical office we were underusing. I hate seeing my colleagues get dragged back to legacy offices for no compelling reason though.
  
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bigstrat2003 3 days ago

It is not "uprooting your whole life" to go back to working in the office, unless one was so foolish as to move away from the city their job was in. And yeah in that case it sucks balls, but I don't imagine most people did something that foolish.

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- dmitrygr 3 days ago
  
  > unless one was so foolish
  Making decisions is not foolish, even if they disagree with your idea of how they should be made. I quit my previous job over RTO, leaving a great team at a cool company. It was a conscious decision with pros and cons carefully weighed.
  
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- oblio 3 days ago
  
  Many people were hired as remote hires.
  
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- tessierashpool9 3 days ago
  
  seems more like very smart to do such a thing - but sometimes even smart decisions just don't work out.
  
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- Yizahi 3 days ago
  
  So buying own home/apartment to live in is a "foolish" idea now, right?
  
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dnissley 3 days ago

Amazon already has 3 days in-office requirement

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