Comment by reactordev

Comment by reactordev 3 days ago

38 replies

Ok, I’ll give you Rocket League. That’s an entirely new spin on a genre I didn’t see coming. The rest are just RPGs or platformers you like. Good games, but not innovative. Yes, some new franchises have been born and some successful indie titles have been launched but most of the market share in the games industry is held by the top 5.

Yes, I have over 1,000 games in my Steam library going back to 1999. I engage in most games that make the top 500 and have so since I was a teenager making games myself.

TimorousBestie 3 days ago

I hope I never become this jaded and cynical about video games.

  • reactordev 3 days ago

    Keep playing them for 20 years :D

    • anyfoo 3 days ago

      Into the Breach only came out 8 years ago, but I'm still playing it vigorously.

      I'm sorry to say, your nostalgia-colored-glasses are so strong, you're actually blinded by them. I grew up in the same gaming era as you (started around early to mid 90s, but the peak was later), and I too have fond memories. But there undeniably has been some magnificent progress in pretty much all aspects of gaming.

      Somewhere between 2005 and 2010, I thought I had outgrown gaming, and that no game would have anything to offer to me anymore. But years later I learned that that was just because I was stuck thinking that JRPGs were the pinnacle of gaming, it turned out that I had grown out of those. Obviously your story will be different, but I bet there is some story to you somewhere.

      • lgl 3 days ago

        This! Both FTL and Into the Breach are evergreen games imho.

    • Novosell 3 days ago

      I've been playing games since I could hold a controller basically, so 26-ish years, and I think modern gaming is phenomenal. I feel sad for you, but it is what it is. Just your loss in the end.

      • reactordev 3 days ago

        Modern gaming is a micro transaction DLC hellscape. Are you serious?

        Are they fun? Yes, they are designed to be addictive. So you spend money on pixels.

    • buttercraft 3 days ago

      I've been playing them for 35 years and I don't share your opinion at all.

mietek 3 days ago

So, is Outer Wilds a RPG or a platformer?

  • reactordev 3 days ago

    Open world game but also a mystery game as we’re a couple others mentioned above. Those go back to Carmen San Diego and Sherlock homes series. Open World, we’ve seen plenty of those.

    • gambiting 3 days ago

      Well, nothing new has been invented since checkers, if you really think about it hard enough and reduce everything to a few buckets of games that everything can fit neatly into, then everything is just a mystery game or just open world or just a platformer. Again, I have a feeling like you're just looking at it mechanically and not how these elements work together to produce a game that is larger than just the sum of its parts. Outer Wilds has puzzles and open world and mystery element to it - and all of those have been done before. But has anyone else combined them this way to produce a game with this narrative? No, I don't believe so(happy to be proven wrong, as always).

      Like the other commenter said - I hope I don't become jaded like this about video games, it still brings me joy to see how every new game twists the known formula a little bit more and in new and exciting ways, I believe there are several nieches where we haven't seen the game of that genre yet and I can't wait to see it emerge and how and who is going to do it.

      • reactordev 3 days ago

        Have other games put together open world and mystery? Yes.

        I have a feeling you haven’t played those games otherwise you’d see the similarities.

        Yes, I am ABSOLUTELY looking at the mechanics of the game. I’m also looking for innovation. Take something someone tried (maybe it was a big part of their design) and make a full blown out version of it. Pushing the genre in either a new direction or opening one up. Outer wilds did neither. Not to say it wasn’t a good game. That’s not at all what I’m saying. I’m saying outside of those that played it, it will be forgotten. It changed nothing. It came, it endeared, it left.

    • Rohansi a day ago

      Comparing Outer Wilds to Sherlock Holmes is way too big of a stretch for me. There are mysteries in both, yes, but it's the mystery of the (game's) universe vs. crimes.

      I'm curious if you think this way about movies/TV too. It's very strange to me to just dilute things down to their genre(s) and then expect innovation to come out as new genres.

rpdillon 3 days ago

What did you think after you got into room 46 of Blue Prince?

gambiting 3 days ago

>>Good games, but not innovative

Calling outer wilds or Clair Obscur "not innovative" just tells me you haven't played these games from start to finish, and I don't mean any offence saying this. Unless you mean just mechanically?

  • YurgenJurgensen 2 days ago

    What’s innovative about Clair Obscur? Its battle mechanics are clearly heavily inspired by Paper Mario, Shadow Hearts, and Legend of Dragoon, it inherits a bunch of mid-level design stuff from Dark Souls, and its story structure is extremely standard, also borrows a lot of worldbuilding from Dark Souls with a hint of Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and Kingdom Hearts. It’s competent, somewhat refreshing and not actively consumer-hostile, and it’s a sign of how bad things have gotten that that’s all it takes to be heaped with praise.

    • gambiting 2 days ago

      Oh don't get me wrong - mechanically I actually think it's boring as hell, which is why I asked OP if he only talks about mechanics. But I will say that in terms of story and world building it's exceptional - so many games nowadays are just some kind of variation on a standard fantasy/scifi trope, CO has a completely "fresh" repertoir of enemies and locations that feel new, and I didn't have any clue where the story was going until act 3 - I think its exploration of grief and the ability to make you bond with characters while not unique, it's definitely up there with the best video games ever made(imho).

      >>also borrows a lot of worldbuilding from Dark Souls

      I see that comparison a lot and I don't see it, and I've played every From Soft game from start to finish. Maybe the painted world from DS3 is sorta-kinda similar, but not really?

anyfoo 3 days ago

So Dark Souls is just another RPG, and not innovative?

  • throwaway173738 3 days ago

    It was the first rpg I played where there was so much attention paid to continuity you could see all the other areas in the skybox.

  • YurgenJurgensen 2 days ago

    That’s not a great example to pick, given that Demons Souls exists.

    • reactordev 2 days ago

      And that was a successor to Kings Field…

      These kids don’t know.

  • anthk 3 days ago

    Innovative? Check Blade/Severance.