15155 5 days ago

Invariably someone will shoot back with "citizen children of illegal immigrants."

  • defrost 5 days ago

    Sure, that happens a lot despite Court orders to the contrary.

    ICE has also deported full adult citizens, eg: Pedro Guzman, Mark Lyttle, etc.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Guzman

    * https://www.acluofnorthcarolina.org/press-releases/court-rec...

    Currently there's a running problem simply having access to the names and files of those that disappear into the ICE Gulag.

    • zahlman 5 days ago

      > ICE has also deported full adult citizens, eg: Pedro Guzman, Mark Lyttle, etc.

      Per your sources, these happened in 2007-2008, so that hardly seems relevant to the current discussion. Trump is not responsible for law enforcement overreaches that occurred under GWB.

      > Currently there's a running problem simply having access to the names and files of those that disappear into the ICE Gulag.

      What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    • 15155 5 days ago

      How many other developed countries in the world allow tourists to unconditionally birth citizens?

      • trhway 5 days ago

        allow to birth? Only God does that. US does entice tourists by granting citizenship to anybody born on US territory. If you don't like it - change the Constitution. If you aren't changing it, then you want it for some reason.

        Edit: to the commenter below - what "moral" has to do with the Constitution provision? I mean beside the general understanding that Constitution is a law and following law is in general a moral thing, and that US Constitution was generally an attempt to write a good moral thing.

  • nobody9999 4 days ago

    >Invariably someone will shoot back with "citizen children of illegal immigrants."

    Do the children of immigrants have fewer rights than other citizens?

    I'm the child of an immigrant. Do I not deserve the same rights as any other citizen or resident of the US? If not, why not?

    • 15155 3 days ago

      If you are a citizen child and your parents are arrested and subsequently incarcerated for breaking the law, you will be placed in foster care absent a suitable alternative guardian.

      In this case, the children are being kept with their families. Who else should take them? Foster care?

      Parents don't just magically get a free pass to break the law because they birthed a child.

      • nobody9999 3 days ago

        >Do the children of immigrants have fewer rights than other citizens?

        Your response doesn't even approach answering it.

        Why is that? Are you unwilling to answer such a question? Did you misunderstand?

        Your comment was completely unrelated to the question I asked. Especially since my parents are long dead (51 years and 28 years) and I haven't relied on parental support in 35+ years.

        As I mentioned, I'm the child of a non-citizen immigrant. Do you claim that I have fewer rights than other citizens? If so, which rights, and what justification do you use to make such a claim?

        That's not a rhetorical question.