zahlman 5 days ago

> ICE has also deported full adult citizens, eg: Pedro Guzman, Mark Lyttle, etc.

Per your sources, these happened in 2007-2008, so that hardly seems relevant to the current discussion. Trump is not responsible for law enforcement overreaches that occurred under GWB.

> Currently there's a running problem simply having access to the names and files of those that disappear into the ICE Gulag.

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

15155 5 days ago

How many other developed countries in the world allow tourists to unconditionally birth citizens?

  • trhway 5 days ago

    allow to birth? Only God does that. US does entice tourists by granting citizenship to anybody born on US territory. If you don't like it - change the Constitution. If you aren't changing it, then you want it for some reason.

    Edit: to the commenter below - what "moral" has to do with the Constitution provision? I mean beside the general understanding that Constitution is a law and following law is in general a moral thing, and that US Constitution was generally an attempt to write a good moral thing.

    • zahlman 5 days ago

      I first have to ask: do you personally think it makes sense that couples can enter the US illegally, remain in the US illegally until a child is born, and have that child automatically become a citizen? Do you think it is moral? Why?

      But just to clarify, GP was asking you whether that particular path to citizenship exists in other developed countries.

      • vel0city 4 days ago

        I do think it's moral and makes sense to make people born here citizens. It prevents the formation of an underclass of stateless residents who do not have rights. The idea of Jus Soli goes back a long time, rooted in English common law.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

        And yes, lots of other countries have similar policies in place. Racists act like it's something that is only a thing in the United States, and that it was only created by the 14th Amendment, and have managed to dupe many others to become ignorant of history.