Comment by JumpCrisscross

Comment by JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago

> At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door

To the extent Cupertino fucked up, it's in having had this attitude when they rolled out Apple Intelligence.

There isn't currently a forcing function. Apple owns the iPhone, and that makes it an emperor among kings. Its wealth is also built on starting with user problems and then working backwards to the technology, versus embracing whatever's hot and trying to shove it down our throats.

lxgr 6 hours ago

Lately, they've arguably been starting from their own priorities (i.e. pushing and protecting their "services" revenue at all cost) and working backwards to an acceptable user experience from there.

> Its wealth is also built on starting with user problems and then working backwards to the technology, versus embracing whatever's hot and trying to shove it down our throats.

Then again, remember millimeterwave? But yes, as a general rule I think your point still stands.

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46493168 2 hours ago

> There isn't currently a forcing function.

Investors are the forcing function

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cush 11 hours ago

> There isn't currently a forcing function

Sorry but if there wasn’t a forcing function then “Apple Picks Gemini to Power Siri” wouldn’t be the headline

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JumpCrisscross 11 hours ago

> if there wasn’t a forcing function then “Apple Picks Gemini to Power Siri” wouldn’t be the headline
A pair four-trillion dollar companies striking a deal in the hottest technology space since the internet getting headline treatment is not evidence of a forcing function.

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- hnlmorg 8 hours ago
  
  Them having bolted on ChatGPT in the ugly way they did is evidence though.
  Their naff image generation tool (Playground) is further evidence.
  Apple are definitely panicking. And they should be too.
  
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  JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago
  
  > Them having bolted on ChatGPT in the ugly way they did is evidence though
  That's evidence they forced themselves. Not that there was a forcing function. That's the whole point of the top comment. (Mine.) They rushed where they didn't have to. And I still don't think they need to rush.
  
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  walthamstow 7 hours ago
  
  Not enough things are referred to as naff these days, which is funny because there's so much naff shit knocking around.
  
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- cush 11 hours ago
  
  I mean, maybe if the headline was “For no particular reason whatsoever, under absolutely no pressure from their millions of customers to deliver on the promises they paid for nearly two years ago, Apple picks Gemini to Power Siri”
  Or maybe you’re arguing that Apple never did intend to commit to those promises and it was all intentional and part of a well orchestrated plan from the outset? Seems like an odd strategy
  
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  JumpCrisscross 10 hours ago
  
  > if the headline was “For no particular reason whatsoever, under absolutely no pressure from their millions of customers to deliver on the promises they paid for nearly two years ago, Apple picks Gemini to Power Siri”
  Which is not how headlines work.
  You may have an argument that Apple is under pressure. But your headline argument is bananas.
  > maybe you’re arguing that Apple never did intend to commit to those promises
  Where did you get that?
  The attitude I called "fucked up" is precisely rushing to make promises and then meet them. Apple's sales don't suggest customers are putting material pressure on Cupertino. Apple's share price doesn't suggest investors are panicking. The promises have already been broken. If Apple is pushing something out, again, because they feel they have to on the basis of those promises, it's–again-a fuckup.
  
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  cush 8 hours ago
  
  > Which is not how headlines work
  That’s the joke. I assure you they are panicking.
  
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bmitc 7 hours ago

> Its wealth is also built on starting with user problems and then working backwards to the technology

Since when?

> versus embracing whatever's hot and trying to shove it down our throats

I agree here, to a degree. It's just that Apple tells its customers what's hot and then shoves it down their throats.

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virgil_disgr4ce 2 hours ago

> Apple tells its customers what's hot and then shoves it down their throats
I don't really understand this. Is it shoving when something is actually popular? The iPod was legitimately extremely popular. Did Apple decide it was hot and then somehow force people to buy 450 million of them?
I mean I'm just curious what products you're thinking of when you say "shoves it down their throats"

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