Comment by sometimes_all

Comment by sometimes_all 20 hours ago

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For regular consumers, Gemini's AI pro plan is a tough one to beat. The chat quality has gotten much better, I am able to share my plan with a couple more people in my family leading to proper individual chat histories, I get 2 TB of extra storage (which is also sharable), plus some really nice stuff like NotebookLM, which has been amazing for doing research. Veo/Nanobanana are nice bonuses.

It's easily worth the monthly cost, and I'm happy to pay - something which I didn't even consider doing a year ago. OpenAI just doesn't have the same bundle effect.

Obviously power users and companies will likely consider Anthropic. I don't know what OpenAI's actual product moat is any more outside of a well-known name.

adrr 10 hours ago

Gemini also will answer most queries where ChatGpt won't do a lot of things. Example: "Create an image of Snow white". This will give the stand "Violates our content policy" even though the story was written hundreds of years ago. You can even point out the story is in the public domain and it still won't do it.

I remember when it wouldn't even give me the lyrics to the star spangled banner. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44832990#44833365

venusenvy47 16 hours ago

Do you happen to know if the AI features of the Google One 5TB plan is equivalent to the 2TB AI pro plan? It is so difficult to understand what actually comes with their plans, and I want to have the 5 TB storage for backups.

  • sometimes_all 9 hours ago

    Yeah it was an absolute nightmare trying to figure out the difference, and I still do not know the correct answer to this, and by the looks of it, neither does Google support, because they were as clueless as I was when I asked them about it.

    One thing I read on a reddit thread [1] was that the AI pro 2 TB plan explicitly allows sharing the AI and storage benefits when you enable family sharing on them, while the 5 TB plan doesn't.

    However, when I went to sign up, the 5 TB plan wasn't available at all! It's only their lite and basic plans (the one with 30 and 100 GB of storage); the 5TB one only showed up after I signed up for the pro plan, and judging by how the UX looked, you pay an extra amount on top of your AI pro plan.

    Now I definitely need family sharing, but I don't need the full 2 TB, let alone 5 TB, so I didn't bother checking further about the 5TB plan.

    Also, I am in India, maybe things are different in your region?

    [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/GoogleOne/comments/1nib21a/solved_g...

  • beAbU 3 hours ago

    From what I can see the 2TB AI pro and 5TB (non AI) are the same, except the google drive storage.

    The difference between the AI and non-AI 2TB plan is 1000 AI "credits" (tokens?) vs 200. €120 p/a difference between the two for me which is huge.

piva00 19 hours ago

Through my work I have access to Google's, Anthropic's, and OpenAI's products, and I agree with you, I barely touch OpenAI's models/products for some reason even though I have total freedom to choose.

OutOfHere 18 hours ago

I strongly advise never using Google's Drive storage. They're known to scan all content, and to disable all access if even a single file is "problematic", often misclassified by a bot. If you do use the storage, do backup all your files, and be ready to lose access at any time, with no way to reach any intelligent human.

  • sometimes_all 9 hours ago

    I agree with you 100%. We do syncs to another non-google storage account anyway, plus the google accounts are primarily for Android phone usage because photos and videos take up quite a big chunk of space now; they do not have any legitimately important files stored outside of photos sync and phone backups, so there is no deep loss if the account gets banned outside of some inconveniences.

  • beAbU 3 hours ago

    This has never happened to me in more than 5 years of paying for Google Drive. And my drive is chock full of bootleg books and movies and stuff.

    Having said that, an offline backup of a couple of terabytes will rarely break the bank and is not a bad idea at all.

    I probably need to get on that.

    • OutOfHere 2 hours ago

      It happens more with adult content or files misclassified as such. It has happened to people.

      Secondly, a Google account can be disabled for a broader variety of reasons, not limited to the above causes.

  • devsda 17 hours ago

    Since we are on the topic of bans & Google, I have a question.

    How likely or difficult is it for Google to engage in, for lack of better word, "thought policing"?

    You ask your "private" AI assistant to answer a naughty question or help with problematic task(from Google's hidden list) and then you eventually face the ban hammer.

    Did anybody ever get banned for searching the wrong keywords?

  • acuozzo 6 hours ago

    Solution: Use Google Drive to backup a VeraCrypt volume?

  • throwacct 17 hours ago

    Which product do you recommend? OneDrive? Dropbox?

    • pcchristie 10 hours ago

      Filen is quite good, is E2E encrypted and currently offering (final round of) lifetime plans for Black Friday.

      They are not super mature yet (though have been around for several years) so the product still has some improvements to be made, but I like it.

    • mattmaroon 16 hours ago

      I have to imagine they are all on the lookout for CSAM. They’d simply have to be.

      If it goes beyond that then let me know.

      • OutOfHere 2 hours ago

        There is no evidence that any storage service that offers E2E encryption does any scanning of adult content.

        Note that possessing significant adult content in non-E2E storage risks eventual misclassification by a bot.

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carlosjobim 16 hours ago

If we stop for a while and really consider the value of AI tools, then comparing them on price doesn't make much sense. Any of these tools give hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of dollars of value per month to the user. With that in consideration they should mostly be compared on quality.

  • sometimes_all 9 hours ago

    > With that in consideration they should mostly be compared on quality

    Take a look at the comments in the thread and tell me whether there is a consensus on which AI has the best "quality". Gemini, Claude, ChatGPT are all stochastic machines; they'll give me a different output at different times for the very same query, with differences in quality each time within themselves, let alone other products.

    I did my own checks; newer Gemini's output is consistently "good enough" for me and my family now, we individually do not use the full extent of the Pro plan (collectively, we do), and NotebookLM is something which more than one of us uses everyday; Image generation is something we use once a week or so. Given all this, the feature breadth within Gemini covers all bases for us, with a significant catch-up in quality compared to earlier to a point that we don't really need to look elsewhere for now.

    Plus, for us USD 20 is not a small amount; it's equivalent to one of our larger utility bills we need to pay for every month. So price is definitely an important point of consideration.

  • aftbit 16 hours ago

    The same thing is true for a _ton_ of tech products. My home internet plan easily gives me more than $1000 in value per month. My cell phone hardware probably gives me $2000+ in value over even a short 2 year life. Customers still tend to choose the cheapest option that meets requirements.

    • mattmaroon 16 hours ago

      I don’t know, I ditched my ISP of many years as soon as a better option came up, even though it cost more, because it is much higher quality.

    • dist-epoch 16 hours ago

      Home internet and cell phones are fungible. AI is not.

      If Internet would suddenly become $10k a month, maybe you would change country, or move to an office.

      If AI would suddenly become $10k you can't do anything about it.

      • aftbit 13 hours ago

        If AI suddenly became $10k/month or even $1k/month, I would stop using it. It just doesn't provide that much value to me. If it did, I would probably find a way to use local models or some other approach to drive the cost down.

        If home internet became $1k/month, I would pay it. $10k, no - I just don't have the cashflow to support that.

        If I had to choose one of the three to give up, AI, home internet, or cellphone, I would give up AI. If I had to choose two, I'd give up my cell plan. Home internet is worth a ton of value and dollars to me.