Comment by kswzzl

How about: you get to say whether you want to update and when and manufacturers are required to very explicitly list all of the changes in an update? That would seem to be an acceptable minimum.

There is no need to invent new regulations. We already have criminal liability, endangerement from gross negligence, and manslaughter!

I do not see reason, why CEOs of big companies should be exempt from this!

If bus driver makes mistake, or someone drives drunk.... They get punished. This is the same thing!

Is it possible to disconnect the power from the radios used for "over the air" nonsense? Then at least they would be stable.

I've read online that for some cars, you have to dig deep inside to disconnect the cellular antenna.

I'm a little more lucky. On my car, you can pop out the SIM card from a slot in the ceiling, behind the rear-view mirror.

This assumes you haven't given your car access to your home WiFi. (Some people do this so they don't have to pay for a data plan for their car, and it kinda sorta "syncs" when you get home.)

Even iPhones and windows let you schedule update times. Just the fact that a freaking MOVING MACHINE doesn’t is egregious on itself. Imagine if stellantis would manufacture industrial equipment or nuclear reactors!

> Given the state of the software industry, it's honestly more surprising that this doesn't happen more often.

It probably does. We just don't notice.

> Our industry is a complete joke, and somehow we've been given responsibility over people's lives.

Amen to that. kqr made some choice comments the other day in that thread about the airliner that came to within a hair of crashing due to running out of fuel. Thinking about risk is not a skill that we're born with and it is always sobering to read the 'risks digest' for a bit and to see how thin the ice really is.

We are really only about 60 years old as a proper profession, and we seem to be trailing behind doctors for professionalism and standard of care by about 100 years.

I don’t know what will turn out to be our penicillin, or our Joseph Lister, but in 1960 the former is something that didn’t exist when older doctors were in school, and latter had only been dead for fifty years. It may not have happened for us yet.

I’m going on a limb here because i’m not directly on the software industry but my first suspect would be metrics and the fact that you have to deliver a product at certain time “no matter what”.

Yes, and if the update happened while at home, most people could get the error at safe speeds (most people does not live <1 min from a highway).

That's good. You may want to list the brand here.

Thanks for the clarity. Wow this is a big deal.

Does the market actually want EVs and hybrids if they require subsidies and regulation to make significant market penetration?

My Wrangler JK is 10 years old with almost no issues, its a relatively simple vehicle compared to most, easy to work on as well. The Pentastar V6 is well proven engine and the issues with it are well understood.

I really like the vehicle, it has served me well and taken me many interesting places across the country, along with daily driving. I tow it with a RV and its one the few that can do so now days, plus its extremely capable offroad.

The 4XE is very alluring, much more fun to drive (I have rented one) and I could charge it off home solar and still tow with RV (the only PHEV thats possible to do so). If only it was reliable...

Lack of QA also tilts the power dynamic with project management. You could have the lead engineer and tester tell mgmt that things are not ready.

I think the nature of capitalism will make this impossible. The capital owning class will not allow criminal action for this and will also fight any common-sense regulations. If the working class gets that regulation in via the democratic process, that's fine, but its unlikely especially since it hasn't happened yet since we've gone digital on near everything starting from the 70s and 80s.

The working class lately seems more focused on 'culture war' issues and not economic or material or consumer or worker's rights issues anyway, so we're probably as far from any kind of regulation reform in software as possible. I remember a couple decades ago FOSS as an ideal seemed stronger and you had people like Lessig pushing hard for IP reform and Swartz and others for 'information must be free' honest-to-goodness mainstream movements and all of that seems to have went nowhere and is somewhat to very unpopular today. When was the last time you saw a populist movement towards liberal tech reform like this? Outside of some edge cases like medicine or power generation, the regulations here are purposely kept weak because that's what the wealthy desire.

Maybe our kids or grandkids will have this after the pendulum swings back, shrug.