Comment by SigmundA

Comment by SigmundA 5 hours ago

I really want a 4XE Wrangler to replace my aging JK at some point, on paper its amazing, lots of torque and power, decent economy for a brick with large tires, and can actually run a pure electric enough to get around town, plus still takes all the standard Wrangler parts.

However in classic Jeep style they just can't get reliability down, and the PHEV part seems too complicated for them.

If it was just reliable it would still be the best selling PHEV in America, they let that go.

There is no sign of the 2026 Wrangler 4XE it might be canceled like the Gladiator version...

kswzzl 5 hours ago

Agreed, it's an expensive but great vehicle. Closing the last mile of the reliability gap is always tough, but they need to figure it out.

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20after4 5 hours ago

It's probably canceled, not only for reliability reasons. EVs and plugin hybrids are probably doomed, at least in the US: The EV tax credit subsidy is gone, fuel economy requirements will be or already have been eliminated, electricity prices climbing (my rate increased almost 50% on my most recent bill) and the Trump administration is extremely hostile towards anything related to renewable energy.

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frumplestlatz an hour ago

Does the market actually want EVs and hybrids if they require subsidies and regulation to make significant market penetration?

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- skywhopper 3 minutes ago
  
  A functioning market that priced in the externalities and future risks would far prefer them.
  
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- willdr 37 minutes ago
  
  Unfortunately to survive the next few hundred years, we may need another dictator of human behaviour than what the market wants.
  
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frumplestlatz an hour ago

I’ve always been surprised that people even buy jeeps given the notorious reliability issues and frankly strange design choices.

The times that I have been given a jeep rental while on vacation or work trips have always left me disappointed with the vehicle.

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SigmundA an hour ago

My Wrangler JK is 10 years old with almost no issues, its a relatively simple vehicle compared to most, easy to work on as well. The Pentastar V6 is well proven engine and the issues with it are well understood.
I really like the vehicle, it has served me well and taken me many interesting places across the country, along with daily driving. I tow it with a RV and its one the few that can do so now days, plus its extremely capable offroad.
The 4XE is very alluring, much more fun to drive (I have rented one) and I could charge it off home solar and still tow with RV (the only PHEV thats possible to do so). If only it was reliable...

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- frumplestlatz an hour ago
  
  There’s just no comparison when you consult reliability reports, though. Of course, even companies like Toyota are going in the direction of always on, arbitrarily updated software and subscriptions.
  I have no idea what I’ll buy when my 2014 Toyota Tundra finally retires.
  
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