Comment by lukan

Comment by lukan 3 days ago

Well, but what if I ain't a christian nor a buddhist and don't think suffering as a normal living condition is necessary? (Can you proof it is? Also I don't think all christians/buddhists share that believe)

So sure, suffering and pain are part of life. And accepting that helps a lot to not get stuck in that condition by avoiding painful things, you cannot avoid.

"Anyone can say that about their life right now, can't they?"

So no, not anyone is saying that. Only those with a death wish.

And I don't consider having a death wish as a mental condition. It can of course result of a illness, but it can also be a consciouss wish and then finally a decision.

And if other people decide they may not do this, but have to remain in their state of living hell, then this is just torture to me.

hrimfaxi 3 days ago

> Well, but what if I ain't a christian nor a buddhist and don't think suffering as a normal living condition is necessary? (Can you proof it is? Also I don't think all christians/buddhists share that believe)

At the very least, suffering (through childbirth) is a prerequisite to bringing life into this world.

edit: strange that this is flagged. my parent asked for proof that suffering is inherent in life, and I don't know anyone who has said that the physical act of giving birth is anything but painful.

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lukan 3 days ago

No, I asked for proof that a constant condition of suffering is inherent of life. Not that suffering is also part of life.
(Vouched for it to be able to reply)

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- Noaidi 3 days ago
  
  There is no such thing as constant suffering and there’s no such thing as constant joy.
  Without suffering, we would not know joy and without joy we wouldn’t know suffering. So these are two sides of the same coin, do you see that?
  It’s our attachment to ourselves that brings us both joy and suffering. So, I’m sorry, if you want to get rid of suffering you’re going to get rid of joy as well. So I don’t know if dying brings us joy or gets rid of our suffering. We really don’t know what happens to us after we die, do we? You can say that everything just ends, but I’m really not wanting to say that because, well, I’m still alive.
  I told my schizophrenic brother why he shouldn’t take his life by suicide. I just asked him if he knew what it was like being dead and if he thought he was certain that being dead would be any better. He literally told me the confusion of that question. Let him to accepting his life as it was. Better the Devil You Know than the one you don’t.
  
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  jncfhnb 3 days ago
  
  > Without suffering, we would not know joy and without joy we wouldn’t know suffering. So these are two sides of the same coin, do you see that?
  Bullshit argument.
  The suffering that many people experience is profound. These people don’t have a more profound experience of joy than those whose lives are chill. And the happy lives of people who haven’t suffered are not better because the sufferers have felt worse.
  > I told my schizophrenic brother why he shouldn’t take his life by suicide. I just asked him if he knew what it was like being dead and if he thought he was certain that being dead would be any better. He literally told me the confusion of that question. Let him to accepting his life as it was. Better the Devil You Know than the one you don’t.
  “You should suffer because the next part may be even worse suffering” is such a fucked up argument.
  
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Noaidi 3 days ago

The first of the four noble truths set fourth by the Buddha:

The truth of dukkha: Recognizing that suffering is a fundamental part of existence

They even call Joy “hidden suffering”. Because whenever the thing is that gives us joy, if we become attached to it and it is taken away then we have suffering.

And the Christians believe that the suffering of Christ was needed to forgive everyone of their sins.

So they both view suffering as an important aspect of life. Something to be used for learning and understanding the human condition.

But the buddhist and the Christians believe that you can escape what you would think of a state of constant suffering through religious practices. It’s the faith the American slaves had in Christ that got them through their state of living hell. And we’ve even seen a Buddhist light themselves on fire to protest the war in Vietnam. So I’m sorry, but I can’t look upon suffering as something that’s negative and I accept it as part of life and just as I can learn things from joy and I can learn things from suffering, and they are both the same size of the coin and equally as valuable.

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