Comment by hrimfaxi

Comment by hrimfaxi 3 days ago

> Well, but what if I ain't a christian nor a buddhist and don't think suffering as a normal living condition is necessary? (Can you proof it is? Also I don't think all christians/buddhists share that believe)

At the very least, suffering (through childbirth) is a prerequisite to bringing life into this world.

edit: strange that this is flagged. my parent asked for proof that suffering is inherent in life, and I don't know anyone who has said that the physical act of giving birth is anything but painful.

lukan 3 days ago

No, I asked for proof that a constant condition of suffering is inherent of life. Not that suffering is also part of life.

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Noaidi 3 days ago

There is no such thing as constant suffering and there’s no such thing as constant joy.
Without suffering, we would not know joy and without joy we wouldn’t know suffering. So these are two sides of the same coin, do you see that?
It’s our attachment to ourselves that brings us both joy and suffering. So, I’m sorry, if you want to get rid of suffering you’re going to get rid of joy as well. So I don’t know if dying brings us joy or gets rid of our suffering. We really don’t know what happens to us after we die, do we? You can say that everything just ends, but I’m really not wanting to say that because, well, I’m still alive.
I told my schizophrenic brother why he shouldn’t take his life by suicide. I just asked him if he knew what it was like being dead and if he thought he was certain that being dead would be any better. He literally told me the confusion of that question. Let him to accepting his life as it was. Better the Devil You Know than the one you don’t.

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- jncfhnb 3 days ago
  
  > Without suffering, we would not know joy and without joy we wouldn’t know suffering. So these are two sides of the same coin, do you see that?
  Bullshit argument.
  The suffering that many people experience is profound. These people don’t have a more profound experience of joy than those whose lives are chill. And the happy lives of people who haven’t suffered are not better because the sufferers have felt worse.
  > I told my schizophrenic brother why he shouldn’t take his life by suicide. I just asked him if he knew what it was like being dead and if he thought he was certain that being dead would be any better. He literally told me the confusion of that question. Let him to accepting his life as it was. Better the Devil You Know than the one you don’t.
  “You should suffer because the next part may be even worse suffering” is such a fucked up argument.
  
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  Noaidi 3 days ago
  
  > The suffering that many people experience is profound. These people don’t have a more profound experience of joy than those whose lives are chill. And the happy lives of people who haven’t suffered are not better because the sufferers have felt worse.
  Some people have great suffering. Some people have small suffering. But the suffering is the same, and the source is the same. You don’t need great suffering to understand suffering.
  A lot of people who have everything they want still suffer, even though nothing is wrong in their life. That is the most interesting kind of suffering to me. But it almost seems like you think these things you’re totally independent or maybe I don’t understand your argument.
  > “You should suffer because the next part may be even worse suffering” is such a fucked up argument.
  It’s a logical argument. And it kept my brother alive who had no hope and wanted to kill himself, then he has Hope again and he didn’ think about killing himself.
  I don’t know what he might’ve done if he read the original article. I might’ve not have had the 20 years with my brother that I did.
  
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