Comment by deng

Vibe coders will be so busy solving the problem of making something work that they wont invest time into understanding the business problem at hand

Absolutely agree. Real recipes, tested by actual cooks (home or professional) with genuine photos, matter far more to me than avoiding messy screens. Does anyone know trustworthy sites that consistently offer recipes meeting these standards?

As somebody who cooks quite a lot (for a diverse set of people), I have the opposite experience of what you describe (also I hate having to touch my screen while cooking).

The cooking book scene has been openly criticized for not actually trying the recipes, even before LLMs were a thing[0]. Regular cooking websites have always been somewhat unusable due to massive ads and fluff text because 1) SEO and 2) recipes are not copyrightable, but the fluff text is.

For quite some time I get my recipes directly from chatgpt, the instructions are very condense, they work quite well, and most importantly: It knows how to substitute ingredients. "My friend is vegan and allergic to heat-resistant soy protein" and it's going to adjust accordingly.

[0]: https://www.matchingfoodandwine.com/news/blog/recipes-that-d...

Are you trying to tell me this Rubbery Lasagne isn't a real recipe?

https://www.recipeninja.ai/recipe/r_LZarKW1PMNlSlx/rubbery-l...

All Ingredients

- rubber cement, 2 cups

- water, 1 cup

- lasagne noodles, 1 box

- shredded mozzarella, 2 cups

...

Step 2

Prepare the rubber sauce by mixing 2 cups of rubber cement with 1 cup of water in a saucepan over low heat until thickened.

Agreed! That was a problem even before LLMs showed up. I found my subscription to Cooks Illustrated/America's Test Kitchen to be incredibly valuable. Bonus: You don't have to read through 15 paragraphs of SEO fluff to get to the recipe.

Indeed. See Ann Reardon's recent video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaYJgmPvCg

Is the project anything more than a (fairly elaborate I must recognize) 1 April joke? I agree with your point even on a more general level, amateur techies thinking to fix stuff which never needed fixing are nothing unusual. We "disrupt" the economy, the finances, housing and more, every day, while being barely legal and sometimes outright abusive to some part of the society, all in the name of the Saviour Technology. Is this just another example of "solutionism"? Or it's just me waking up grumpy and without coffee...

Edit: and right after this, I run into another AI-related gem: https://artificialintelligencemadesimple.substack.com/p/ai-t...

And without 14 paragraphs of how your great grandma first discovered this recipe on a trip to italy from a soldier she romanced

I've got a shelf full of physical cookbooks -- The New Best Recipe, The Food Lab, an Ottolenghi book, On Food and Cooking, etc. I like them, I've read through all of them, I sometimes use them for inspiration.

It's rare that I actually cook directly from them -- usually, that'd be big and fancy stuff or stuff I'm very unfamiliar with; in both cases I usually take the time to cross reference whatever the cookbook says with additional resources from the internet.

ChatGPT, on the other hand, I frequently use when or before cooking (and I cook virtually every day).

It's great when I only have a vague idea based on stuff in the fridge; five minutes later I've got a checklist I can reference. If it hallucinates something that I flat out don't think will work or, much more likely, comes up with something that I don't want or cannot do for lack of ingredients or time or whatever, I'll tell it to adjust the recipe and it does.

It's also great when I feed it a couple of existing recipes (from real people) to compare and contrast and integrate and reformat in a way that's most useful to me, e.g. a tabular format, or scaled to a different serving size.

With all that said, the AI based recipe sites don't really do it for me, either. If I want to cook purely AI generated recipes, a chat interface works fine -- and probably better. What I really want is an AI tool that helps me curate my own recipe collection. E.g. I want to ask it "I'd like to make Ramen, how did I do it the last time, what were my notes" and when it's done I want to tell it "ok, this was fine, I decided to double the mirin and next time I'd marinate the eggs longer" and have it update the recipe.

You don't fancy Cyanide Custard? Radioactive Slime Jello made with actual radioactive waste? Sweet Tooth Delight made with real human teeth? Or a few other desserts with NSFW names that would go down a treat for a family dinner. It is hard to please some people /s.

But yes, websites will now be filled with these low-quality recipes, and some might be outright dangerous. Cyanide custard should ring alarm bells, but using the wrong type of mushroom is equally dangerous and much more challenging to spot.

I don't know why everyone is so salty. It's like putting "vibecode" in the headline attracted the worst in people.

For context, I'm not a cooking geek or virtuoso. I enjoy it to some degree, but mostly it's just about having a nice, nutritious experience, in line with whatever my mood might be. I only ever measure things super accurately when I'm baking things in the bread maker (because it doesn't let you make corrections). For most meals, I wing half the measurements and time estimates.

In my experience, most "human recipes" are just random variations on some baseline. I hate looking for recipes on recipe sites, youtube, etc. There are food bloggers that are exceptions, but usually I'll just end up scrolling for a long time with just frustration to show for it. If I sort of know some of the ingredients I want to use, have some sense of the type of eating experience I'm going for, and I want a bunch of recommendations based on that, regular "human recipe" sites are not the answer.

90% of my new recipes come from ChatGPT, and that ratio is increasing. I just marinated some chicken based on a recipe it magicked for me. I asked for insights on mixing mayo and yoghurt in the same marinade, because I had leftovers of both. It gave me 5 or so diverse recipes, and I just picked the one that best fit my pantry and mood. I also asked it to convert the recipe from volume to weight, not to mention scale it for my specific quantity of chicken, which was super handy.

I find that ChatGPT is great at providing common sense instructions and approximations. It's absolutely awesome at clobbering together a meal from ingredients I tell it I have. I can have an actual dialogue about any of it, get all kinds of recommendations and insights. That's been very useful to me. I'd go as far as to say that recipe generation is one of the easiest real problems for an LLM to solve. Or, at least for the kinds of recipes I use.

I've done my share of recipes from Serious Eats, but they weren't particularly good. I was doing Breton galettes the other week, which are notoriously fiddly to get right. Serious Eats had a huge article about it, interesting insights, but their final recipe sucked, and I was trying to be accurate. Not only I failed to get the consistency right, the wheat-buckwheat ratio was nowhere near what you'd get in France. I say, write researched articles about what makes recipes work. I can read it, I can bounce my LLM off it. If it's a fiddly recipe, I'll have to fiddle with it no matter what. If I can have a conversation with an LLM about principles at work, that's much better to me than a bunch of "human recipes".

Also, I often have questions about alternatives or things I need advice on as I'm preparing food. I'll also look at the recipe a gazillion times to check the instructions, quantities, etc. I'll set and check a timer often too. A voice-assistant is the obvious answer to this, which I'll try at my earliest convenience.

Kudos to the author!