Comment by graemep

Comment by graemep 3 days ago

35 replies

Doing nothing saves trading costs which are a major drag.

The standard advice for equities investors (at least in the UK) has been to invest in tracker funds for a very long time.

it is possible to beat the market. Many years ago I double my money in approx an year - but I invested heavily in I had been covering as a analyst (one of my previous careers) until immediately before. I am more cautious now.

matwood 3 days ago

Trading fees are at or near zero in the US now unless you mean capital gains.

  • graemep 3 days ago

    Not what I meant, but capital gains are another issue, but I am not in the US. In the UK we pay a 0.5% tax on ever transaction and often around £10 per transaction, so its quite substantial. I should probably have said costs, not fees.

    How much are total costs in the US?

    If you trade frequently even low costs add up. If its 0.1% and you trade monthly it ends up being 1.2% over the course of an year.

    • matwood 3 days ago

      10+/trade is going back to the early 2000s for the US.

      Now it's effectively 0 for most common trades. Here is Schwab for example:

      https://www.schwab.com/pricing

      If someone is a big options trader they can probably find a better per contract price out there.

      • graemep 2 days ago

        How do they profit? There must be a cost somewhere? Another reply mentioned spreads - still a cost (you lose money when you trade).

    • wil421 3 days ago

      All the major US brokers started doing free trades for stocks and etfs. For Vanguard, most of the index expense ratios are really low, like %.05 percent, but that’s not a trading fee.

      • AdamN 2 days ago

        Even for paid transactions that typically give better pricing (IBKR Pro), the prices are extremely cheap.

      • 4ndrewl 2 days ago

        How do they make money from you as a customer?

  • ifwinterco 3 days ago

    You also pay a spread every time you trade, especially if you're using a retail brokerage like robin hood that sells order flow to market makers.

    It doesn't show up anywhere in your statement, but it's a real trading fee nonetheless, so it's still better not to trade too much

    • kortilla 2 days ago

      Retail is offered tighter spreads because it’s safe to assume they have no edge at scale.

  • WalterBright 2 days ago

    The explicit fees are near zero, but if you watch your trade you always get an adverse price.

    • pxx a day ago

      what are you talking about. you're not going to fill worse than nbbo

  • maest 2 days ago

    You pay the spread and you also have impact in the market.

    • intuitionist 2 days ago

      If you’re trading US large-cap stocks at low frequency these are not really material costs for even a wealthy retail investor. Certainly not next to taxes.

      • eru 31 minutes ago

        The spread is a material cost, but the market impact is negligible for retail investors, yes.