Comment by lenerdenator 4 days ago
> 2. The govt is mad that they have control over the narrative on Facebook but do not on TikTok
If the last four years are indicative of anything, it's that the US government has fairly limited control over the narrative on American social platforms.
I lost count of how many times I saw people typing in "FJB" and "MAGA".
I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that the JB was Joe Biden and he was quite literally President of the United States when that was a trend, sure.
Same with MAGA after January 6th.
Or, maybe, those things they don't see as a problem.
These shifty foreigners, however... Xenophobia isn't just some old timey things we use to do
Facebook is extremely censored re: the genocide in Gaza
TikTok is not
Is it censored, or do most people just not talk about it on Facebook?
It's interesting how incredibly supportive of human rights that a platform in bed with the CCP became, no? Do you think that China's human rights bugaboos are often discussed on their internal social networks?
It's amplified.
No, I do not think China's bugaboos are allowed on TikTok for the exact same reason the US's are not allowed on Facebook
I mean, I've seen plenty of dissenting material against the powers-that-be on Meta platforms over the years, but okay.
Police brutality (both viewpoints), COVID conspiracies, election conspiracies, etc. are not particularly hard to find on there.
Wait, but I like the issue being amplified. Do you not?
there's a billion people on facebook, i am sure people talk about it
It's possible, but ultimately it's hard to tell, especially in regard to the American users.
The results of the election would point to the idea that most American voters aren't so perturbed by what's happening in Gaza as to want an administration that would be at least as effective in reeling in the Israelis as the Biden administration was. Whether that's right or wrong, well, that's another discussion.
It's a chicken-or-the-egg problem. Do people not talk about Gaza on Facebook because it's censored, or do people not talk about Gaza on Facebook because no one was talking about it to begin with?
tiktok is extremely censored re: genocide in xinjiang. facebook is not.
Great, so we have TikTok where we can access information that's being censored by the West, and Facebook to access information that's being censored by the East. What's the problem? Information wants to be free.
Not disagreeing, that's exactly my point, the govt wants to be able control the narrative
There are places in the west where you risk losing your job just by mentioning the ongoing genocide that is happening now in Gaza. I'm not defending the CCP in any way, it's just that power corrupts and abuse of power happens pretty much everywhere.
i feel that we overuse the word genocide nowadays, in a way that almost amounts to holocaust trivialization
if this is referring to Gaza, many Holocaust experts are willing to call what's happening there a genocide
Yep. The Chinese state is guilty of a number of things in Xinjiang, but genocide is not one of them.
fair. they are guilty of arresting specific ethnicity for the crime of gathering in groups, and targetting men and forbidding men to have children, and forcing women to take han husbands to dilute their ethnicity. but not genocide.
Trump won, the Russian misinformation campaign is over now. You can stop making stuff up about Jews now.
"FJB" and "MAGA" are within the bounds of allowed political discourse and were encouraged.
"Throw the bums out" without any additional coherent political project is precisely what the elites allow and what allows them to maintain power.