Comment by Hermandw

Comment by Hermandw 3 days ago

38 replies

Amir Tsarfati on Telegram: The updated numbers:

4000 wounded of which 400 in critical conditions

Al Jazeera from a Lebanese security source:

The pagers were brought to Lebanon 5 months ago. They were boobytrapped in advance. Each device contained an explosive weighing no more than 20 grams.

Sakos 3 days ago

Who exactly is Amir Tsarfati and why is this a trusted source for numbers? I can't find anything reliable about him by search engine.

AustinDev 3 days ago

20 grams that's wild. You could only produce these kinds of effects from a 'military grade' explosive like CL-20 or similar.

  • chemeril 3 days ago

    20 grams of C4 or similar plastic explosive would be more than adequate to produce the effects seen. CL-20 wouldn't be a good choice for this deployment: it's not particularly stable for rough handling even with a good phlegmatizing blend, and tends to decompose at the temps one would expect a pager to be exposed to (hot car, etc).

    • AustinDev 3 days ago

      That's a fair point my knowledge of explosive chemicals only stems from conventional missile-based warheads and propellants. It's very possible a different explosive was used.

    • cromka 3 days ago

      C4 would be easily detectable by spectrometers, including at the airports, wouldn’t it?

  • beezle 3 days ago

    per a calculator on unsaferguard.org 20g of RDX

    Injury/Fatality to Personnel Range (m) Fatal Distance 0.64 Lung Damage 1.02 Eardrum Rupture 2.63

    • Eduard 3 days ago

      So apparently, it must be less than 20 g of RDX, and/or a weaker explosive: if the fatal distance was within 0.64 meters, there would be significantly more reported deaths.

beezle 3 days ago

And given where pagers are typically kept, future pro-creation of many wounded will be in doubt.

sixQuarks 3 days ago

Isn’t this a war crime?

  • knallfrosch 3 days ago

    First of all, the discussion is purely hypothetical – noone ever put George W Bush in prison for his Iraq invasion. No matter what you, or the world, thinks of it, it's not going to happen.

    Second, what Israel and its enemies are doing is far from the land warfare the laws were written for. Do all Hezbollah soldiers wear uniforms indicating their affiliation and rank? Yeah, I thought so.

  • oytis 3 days ago

    Why would it be?

    • delecti 3 days ago

      Booby traps and indiscriminate targeting.

      • s1artibartfast 3 days ago

        Hardly seems like a boobytrap. Furthermore, Boobytraps are only a war crime if they target civilians, inflict unnecessary suffering, or are placed in unsavory locations like the trapping of wounded soldiers or medical supplies.

      • sethammons 2 days ago

        Bobby traps are triggered by the target; these were remotely triggered. These were highly targeted to group members.

      • oytis 3 days ago

        It's not indiscriminate, they were targeting Hezbollah members as precisely as hardly any conventional weapon would be able to.

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  • mdni007 3 days ago

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    • lyu07282 3 days ago

      Or terrorism, it's quite astonishing how all western media avoids that term. It's an obscene terrorist attack with complete disregard for civilian life. Grotesque the west supports this barbarism.

      • EasyMark 3 days ago

        Can you name any USA politicians currently lauding this?

        • lyu07282 3 days ago

          You can not have this united bipartisan political front supporting the Israeli government and then feign innocence or impartiality of the violent, indiscriminate slaughter of innocent civilian life. The only defense anyone could plead is to have fallen victim to the western propaganda machine whitewashing it all, so you just didn't know any better. They call it acceptable collateral damage and you just nod along like the sheep you are.

    • onlyrealcuzzo 3 days ago

      This is true if you're a sheep and you live in the US or an allied nation and the exact opposite if you live in an unfriendly country.

      For example, if you're a sheep in China, China would obviously never commit a war crime.

      If you're a sheep in Russia, Russia would obviously never commit a war crime.

      If you're a sheep in the US, the US would obviously never commit a war crime.

      Etc.