Comment by akira2501

Comment by akira2501 4 days ago

10 replies

> Just seems a bit heartless.

The writing has been on the wall for a while. Aside from that, Amazon decided to convert their workforce to work from home rather quickly, and shelled out the money and the effort in order to actually achieve that.

> Remote jobs just allow a team to be more robust and dynamic to life changes.

If you weren't hired into a remote job then you don't have much a right to expect or demand this.

hansvm 4 days ago

> If you weren't hired into a remote job then you don't have much a right to expect or demand this.

This is being mandated for a number of employees who were hired remote as well.

Separately, why not? I generally have an expectation that I won't have to move across the country from one office to another. Especially not without some good reason. Especially not without literally any reason. Especially not if I'm going to have to foot the bill for switching houses, either disrupt my spouse's career or spend time apart, switch kids' schools in the middle of the year, .... Employers are (often) within their rights to do so, but the knowledge that Amazon does this sort of thing frequently is precisely why I work elsewhere.

makeitdouble 4 days ago

> If you weren't hired into a remote job then you don't have much a right to expect or demand this.

To put it another way: "Look for a remote position elsewhere and quit"

That has been the return to office dynamic since the COVID emergency stopped.

rconti 4 days ago

If you WERE hired into a remote job, then you also don't have any rights to expect or demand to stay remote. At least, in an at-will state.

  • toomuchtodo 4 days ago

    This is not necessarily true. I have had a labor attorney successfully argue constructive dismissal when remote was written into the employment agreement in an at will state (employer and employee were both in Illinois, attorney represented them on my dime, I was the one who told the employee to have the remote clause inserted into the offer letter when they were hired).

    Importantly, speak to a labor attorney, depending on your situation.

    • cortesoft 4 days ago

      Well, the only thing that is going to get you is access to unemployment, which isn't life changing.

      • toomuchtodo 4 days ago

        They received a substantial settlement under threat of litigation. Unemployment would’ve been received regardless.

        Never trust HN for legal advice. Not an attorney, not your attorney. I highly recommend engaging an attorney, both prior to and during acceptance of an offer, and when separated from an org. If you don’t, you’ve already lost, and I write these comments so others don’t lose.

      • ethagnawl 4 days ago

        > which isn't life changing.

        Speaking from personal experience, not having access to unemployment can definitely be life changing.