Comment by kevin_thibedeau

Comment by kevin_thibedeau 5 days ago

18 replies

It's still a trademark for perpetuity. Copyright expiration on specific films doesn't change that. This is why Disney started using the pie-eyed mickey more heavily in their marketing 10+ years ago to reinforce their trademark over that version of the character.

ethbr1 5 days ago

It's in trademark as long as Disney registers and renews the trademark in whatever country.

And trademark doesn't protect against any and all use in the same way copyright does -- only uses that might create consumer confusion with the trademark owner's uses.

Presumably, a company that has been selling grocery staples since 1935 with that logo isn't creating much confusion.

Arguably, Paraguayan Mickey has a better claim that modern do-everything Disney Mickey is infringing on its long-established trademark...

  • eru 5 days ago

    > Presumably, a company that has been selling grocery staples since 1935 with that logo isn't creating much confusion.

    Yes, though their mascot might be? The article itself clearly states that the locals seem to associate the man-in-costume-mascot with going to Disneyland.

    • labster 4 days ago

      It’s not Mickey’s fault that a foreign company created a theme park with their corporate mascot 20 years later. Just one of those weird coincidences hahaha.

      • eru 4 days ago

        Perhaps they should have registered a trademark for Theme Parks to prevent that from happening?

      • nashashmi 4 days ago

        Mickey Mouse was created in 1928. Grocery Store was created in 1935.

tangus 5 days ago

As the article says, the Paraguayan company has been filing and renewing the Mickey trademark, without challenge, since the 1950s. That's the reason Disney lost the suit.

MichaelZuo 5 days ago

Disney’s claims and paperwork has to be accepted by the Paraguayan trademark office specifically in this case, not just any trademark office.

Unless both the US and Paraguay have ratified a 100% automatic international trademark treaty, which seems unlikely.

kragen 5 days ago

copyright is subject to broad international recognition under a couple of very widespread treaties, and the pct provides a weaker way to obtain the same patent in a smaller set of countries, but trademark is an explicitly local thing. even in the usa, a trademark in one town may not be valid in the next (think 'jones's 24-hour laundry') and even registered trademarks are often only registered in the trademark office of one state. (every state has its own trademark office, in addition to the federal pto.) there is no trademark equivalent of the berne convention or the pct

so the idea of a paraguayan company, in paraguay, infringing a us trademark, is legal hogwash. mickey is a disney trademark in paraguay only to the extent that the paraguayan government decides to grant it to them, a decision that should be made on the basis of, among other things, existing uses by other companies. this is a fundamental and intentional feature of trademark law in every jurisdiction i am familiar with, not a bug

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to a significant extent trademark law is arbitrary in the same way traffic laws are. there's no objective reason, nothing justifiable according to some kind of natural law, that says you should drive on the left side of the road, or stop when the traffic light turns red rather than green. if everyone else is driving on the right side of the road, or stopping when their light turns green and your light turns red, that would be a better thing to do. the law in these cases is merely establishing a schelling point that allows a large society to coordinate their actions through more or less random but well-known decisions

the justification for trademark law is to protect consumers from inferior goods bearing the name of a reputable maker, but made by someone else. for this purpose it reserves particular names and logos for the exclusive use of particular makers. which particular names and logos are reserved for which particular makers is essentially arbitrary; what matters is that it be relatively consistent over time, so that consumers aren't buying good mickey-branded bread from the paraguayan mickey company one day and adulterated mickey-branded bread licensed by disney the next

(you can argue that to some extent modern trademark law is failing at this job, due to notorious cases of perfectly legal line extension fraud—such as exploding tempered-soda-lime-glass pyrex, saran-free saran wrap, pseudoephedrine-free sudafed, kaopectate without kaolin or pectin, and generic t-shirts bearing a designer's licensed brand—or the widespread phenomenon of private equity firms buying a quality brand and replacing its products with inferior replacements. but that's the justification for its existence)

bongodongobob 5 days ago

What is pie-eyed mickey?