alexfoo 2 hours ago

Decisions about fuel purchases are often irrational, much like many food purchases or generic medicines.

I know someone who avoids their local petrol station that is 10p/litre cheaper than most others nearby (within a mile or so) as they think the cheaper fuel must be lower quality. There are weird status things going on with purchases like this.

Only the other day my father refused to buy some branded paracetamol because it was ~5 times more expensive than the local pharmacy brand that was out of stock. (£2.25 vs £0.49 for 16 500mg tablets.) I'd usually agree with him but he was out of paracetamol and has been advised by his doctor to take 2x500mg a day and there was no viable nearby alternative.

A digression but for that generation (those born in 1940s/50s) that grew up with rationing I think it is hardwired into their brain to try and minimise the cost of so many things, but with lots of random exceptions. Later on that day he ordered an extra drink but decided he was too full once it had arrived so he left it. So he was worried about spending an extra £1.76 on paracetamol but not about spending £7 on a pint he didn't drink.

Many people decide what petrol station to use based on simply how close it is, what kind of shop is attached to it (and the bits of British snobbery around that), whether it also sells whatever else they want (bread, milk, beer, etc), or even whether it is easy to drive in and out of.

  • jbjbjbjb 25 minutes ago

    I think you’re overstating the effect. The most volume is sold at supermarkets which have the best location for throughout but they also have the cheapest prices.

  • aucisson_masque an hour ago

    In France we had such api available for decades, many apps are using it and there are a lot of people using them.

    I don't know if your experience is from British people but it looks like they just didn't have the mean to effectively compare fuel prices.

    Once they do, there is a significant part of the British drivers that will most likely be using it.

lazzurs 3 hours ago

This is exactly the sort of thing a government should be doing in a free market. Fair access to pricing information is essential to the operation of a free market. Now do this for all EV charging stations.

  • urbandw311er 2 hours ago

    Ha! If you look into that you’ll find they tried and then the “free service” was somehow insidiously overtaken by private companies with vested interests in listing their own charge points.

  • megablast 33 minutes ago

    Encouraging car use is exactly the sort of things governments should not be doing!!!

maffyoo 10 hours ago

When see things like this, I always think of the Chinese proverb

"An inch of time is worth an inch of gold, but it is hard to buy one inch of time with one inch of gold"

Which always says to me that its not worth it just use the quickest option

Take the example drcongo posted:

"Yesterday I had to drive to a nearby town, just 20 minutes away, and noticed that every single petrol station there was a good 5p per litre cheaper than my town. I might plug this into a map."

Assume he uses 30 litres a week (high end of average UK usage) that's £1.50 per week saving but assume the extra miles use half a litre, that takes about 65 p off the saving (ill not go into wear and tear) over 30 years of work 50 weeks a year this means a saving of £1,275 over 30 years ... sounds a lot but

20 mins away - this assumes 40 minutes per week over 50 weeks is 2000 minutes, and over 30 years 60000 minutes. Now assume you are awake for 16 hours a day this equates to 62.5 days of free time - more than two months of awake time

so as the saying goes... which would you prefer £1,275 saving or 62.5 days of time

  • entuno 9 hours ago

    I almost never go out of my way for fuel, because as you say, it's rarely worth it once you factor in your time (never mind the fuel spent).

    But it's still useful to know about price variation so that you can plan ahead. I regularly drive past several different petrol stations, and if I know that one of them is usually cheaper or usually more expensive then I choose to use or avoid it, or to decide that I'll fill up tomorrow when I'm going that way rather than today at a more expensive one.

    And that'd be more useful built into satnav, so that if I know I have to fill up somewhere along my route then I can pick the cheapest place, since there's no real time cost to any of the options compared to each other.

    • maffyoo 9 hours ago

      totally agree, technology could make this much more cost effective (or time effective). what's the best use of my time versus the cheaper option..

      It's interesting running the numbers though. e.g. if it only take 10 minutes to get cheaper fuel, how much cheaper does it need to be for your time to be worth more than the UK minimum wage (£12.21 for adults over 21)

      based on my maths (from above calculations) it needs to be about 7p per litre cheaper to justify the extra 10 minutes and for your time to be worth more, per hour, than the minimum wage.

      • ElevenLathe an hour ago

        I once had the idea to do something like this, though the intention was to pitch it to gas station operators as a way to keep their prices competitive (i.e. alert them when the station down the street drops their prices so that they can too and not lose business to casual price shoppers or, alternatively, when the station down the street raises their prices, so that you can too and not lose revenue needlessly) and learned that there are a couple entities, at least in the US, that have national data here. I couldn't even figure out how to contact one, and when I called the other I was essentially laughed off the phone by someone with a VERY New York accent -- it seems from context that their data is VERY expensive and used by Wall St. types, so the idea of some nobody from flyover country essentially reselling it to mom & pop gas station operators was funny, and out of the question.

      • notahacker 4 hours ago

        mostly such tools are useful when you go very close to a few petrol stations on your regular routes anyway. I can pretty much time topups for when the cheapest station locally is en-route to my destination

        A 7p per litre difference does sound like the difference between local station and motorway prices though, and they probably will have factored in that opportunity cost of time...

      • entuno 9 hours ago

        Also depends on the size of your fuel tank and how full it already is. The time taken to refuel is (almost) the same regardless, but if you've got a 40l fuel tank vs a 70l one or you're only half-empty then it's going to be less worthwhile.

        7p cheaper for 10 minutes works out at about minimum wage if you're buying 30 litres, but with a bigger car you could easily be buying twice that, which works out much better.

        Although of course you also need to factor in how much fuel you burn driving to the cheaper place, and the extra wear and depreciation on the car. If you take the HMRC standard rate of 45p/mile (which was meant to cover all of that kind of thing, but hasn't been updated for years) then even going a few miles out of your way quickly ends up costing more than it's likely to save.

  • maccard 6 hours ago

    Sure. Now imagine your car’s GPS knows you have 60 miles in the tank, and your journey is 300 miles. It can query the APO and figure out what the best petrol station to refuel on your journey is.

    More information is always good.

  • citrin_ru 9 hours ago

    Driving somewhere to fill the tank 5p/l cheaper probably waste of time but unless all your trips are very short you usually can find a petrol station along a commute roue or along the route of a long leisure trip which is cheaper than one closest to your home. When you see prices in your navigator it's much easier to do.

    • mnw21cam 33 minutes ago

      Agreed. Most of the time the cost of driving out of your way exceeds the saving you would make. However, there's a fuel station near me that is 19.8% cheaper than one only 1.6 miles away from it, and that's a thing that is worth knowing.

      https://xkcd.com/951/

  • alias_neo 9 hours ago

    As someone who waits until my tank is almost empty, to visit Costco one per month for a fill-up, despite it being 5 miles away, I understand your point.

    However, I think (and hope) the point of this service is that by being public, it'll drive prices down for drivers.

    I drive 10 miles round-trip once per month to save what I guesstimate is £5 on a tank of fuel, then spend £100-300 in the Costco store while I'm there. I'm not the target audience, but I hope that for those who drive regularly, or for a living, this can help route them to where they can get the best prices as they're passing by.

  • 123pie123 3 hours ago

    It can be more complex than that, sure for one person your comment makes sense

    but if enough people use their time to go to the cheaper station further away, then they may force the closer garage to to reduce their price

    either that or the close garage goes out of business and the one further away puts up the price because they can.

    but still, it can be more complex

    • Kinrany 3 hours ago

      This is like saying that selling enough volume might make up for losing money on every unit. It's only complex until you do the math

  • MilaM 9 hours ago

    Driving 40 minutes to save 5p might not be worth it. What does make more sense (at least where I live) is to go to the petrol station in the late afternoon or evening instead of the morning hours. The intraday price span on most regular fuels is usually 10 Euro cents per liter. Weekends also tend to be cheaper.

  • KellyCriterion 4 hours ago

    Once I had a boss who said: "Availability beats Pricing, always"

  • oniony 10 hours ago

    I've also wondered about whether to fully fill my tank or drive on a small amount so that I'm not using fuel to carry fuel. Do you know of any metrics on that?

    • embedding-shape 10 hours ago

      I haven't made any calculations, and it's more a hunch, but considering you usually need to remove hundreds of KG in order to make an impact on how much fuel is being spent, 40-50L of gas (~40KG difference between full and empty maybe?) would have an marginal effect on how much fuel is spent to carry a full tank vs 10% filled tank.

      Besides, with a smaller tank, you'll make more trips to tank it, and also have less choice to go to gas stations that are further away but have cheaper price. Then again it becomes a question of "Do I want more time or more money?", back to square one :)

      Edit: Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the fuel pump use fuel itself as a coolant or something? Never investigated myself, but some car-knower once told me that running the tank on low always isn't good for the fuel pump, or something like that. If that's true, running with 10% of the fuel would mean more maintenance too, potentially removing any savings in the first place.

      • jansper39 2 hours ago

        > Never investigated myself, but some car-knower once told me that running the tank on low always isn't good for the fuel pump, or something like that.

        The main issue is that it risks pulling detritus from the very bottom of the fuel tank, usually a bigger issue in diesels and I suspect less of a problem these days.

        • embedding-shape 35 minutes ago

          Aah, I have a diesel car, maybe that was what he was alluding to! Car is from 2017 so not that old. Thanks :)

      • alias_neo 9 hours ago

        > doesn't the fuel pump use fuel itself as a coolant or something

        I know very little about these things, but my understanding was always that any form of liquid pump uses the liquid itself as coolant to some extent.

    • maffyoo 10 hours ago

      you can probably work it out but you have to make a lot of assumptions :)

      Ultimately how much is your time worth? in the example given drcongo's time is worth £1.28 an hour.

    • fragmede 9 hours ago

      Unless you're driving a lorry with a 120L tank, it's negligible. We're talking like, 100 mL per 100km.

  • ksec 7 hours ago

    >so as the saying goes... which would you prefer £1,275 saving or 62.5 days of time

    Just want to say, nothing wrong with doing that. Everyone has different priorities. I just hope most wont have to do it.

  • tialaramex 9 hours ago

    If your priority is the journey to fill a car with fuel and time spent doing so, surely just buy a Battery Electric Vehicle and then this problem evaporates because it just plugs in like every other appliance you own rather than needing a trip to a fuel station.

    Shopping around for the fuel of an EV you can do from a web browser, oh hey, Octopus have a good deal for night charging, click click done.

  • teamonkey 3 hours ago

    The typical use case is probably much more like deciding which station within half a mile of home is cheapest, and that could easily be a variance of 5p or more.

  • drcongo 8 hours ago

    Well that saved me from trying to work it out, thanks!

    edit: My annual milage is actually very low, so it definitely wouldn't be worth it, but I appreciated the maths either way.

  • delaminator 9 hours ago

    You didn't factor in the amount of taxpayer money spent on creating the website and the ongoing costs of running it.

bitdivision 10 hours ago

> From 2 February 2026, you must submit fuel price updates within 30 minutes of any change.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/report-your-fuel-prices-and-fore...

So looks as though the requirement to report was only just introduced, hence the considerable missing data.

Edit: BBC reporting here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp80dpzdg37o

  • traceroute66 10 hours ago

    > So looks as though the requirement to report was only just introduced

    Yeah. It was formally announced in the November 2025 budget and launched today.

  • Nextgrid 10 hours ago

    I guess the question is how will it be enforced and what would the penalties be for reporting inaccurate or outdated data?

    Companies do not understand "must" unless it's accompanied by a proven threat of sanctions that outweighs the profits made by breaching the regulation. The GDPR is a good example of plenty of "musts" and theoretical fines but lax enforcement means it's always more profitable to breach it than comply.

    • bitdivision 10 hours ago
      • Nextgrid 9 hours ago

        Thanks.

        Looking at that document, this regulation is dead on arrival. Enforcement is contingent on the aggregator noticing the price discrepancy, giving the seller many opportunities to rectify the situation without a penalty (if we assume every step gives them 30 days to respond, we're looking at ~5 months before a financial penalty becomes possible), and even then, the regulatory "may" impose a financial penalty, meaning it isn't even guaranteed.

        You know what would immediately resolve this problem and prevent non-compliance? A reporting system where any citizen can submit evidence of a price discrepancy and upon validation gets a 1k payout from the government who then recovers it via a fine. This would make it sustainable for anyone to act as an "auditor" or even do this as a business.

        Of course, the reason it isn't done this way is because it would be too effective, where as this current iteration gives the appearance that something is being done while having no impact in practice.

gerjomarty 9 hours ago

This is a great innovation and I'm sure in time it'll become a useful source of information. There are some edge cases of course.

If you live on the Irish border, you'll have a choice between getting your petrol on the UK side, or the Irish side. For about 20 years, petrol was cheaper on the Irish side, causing a bunch of petrol stations to spring up just over the border, attracting drivers from the other side with cheap prices and good exchange rates.

In the last 10 years or so, the position has reversed. Petrol is now roughly cheaper on the UK side of the border, or at least not worth making a special trip for.

There's even a petrol station in Belleek mentioned here[1] that straddles the border and apparently has or had pumps on both sides.

[1]: https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/25653110.border-filli...

tzs 7 hours ago

What are the price variations like over short distances?

In the US gasoline short distance price variations are ridiculous. I've seen it where one station was $3.50/gal and another station on the same main road just a 30 second drive away was $4.30/gal. These two stations almost always have a large difference like that. This kind of large difference over a small distance is common all over the country.

Yet a surprisingly large number of people will always choose the more expensive station, even if they know about both of them (and the other stations with prices consistently in between that are also about equally close). There's nothing about the layout of the town and traffic patterns that make the expensive station more convenient, or make it easy to find. All these stations are about equally busy so it is not like the expensive one is faster. The less expensive one even has a way better convenience store.

This is one of the higher gas price states and people are constantly complaining about how much it costs to fill up, and when I ask complainers about where they buy gas it is often the expensive stations.

Many of them think that if they don't buy at the expensive station it will be bad for their car. Different brands add different detergents and additives that fight clogging and build up of deposits in your engine and fuel system.

However in 1995 the US got a federal standard that all gas has to meet, and then in 2004 several major car makers developed a standard they called "Top Tier" which is about 20 times more effective than the federal standard. Most major gas brands now sell only gas that is certified to meet the Top Tier standard.

Most testing has found that going for something beyond Top Tier doesn't really have a significant benefit for most people. For nearly everyone the best approach is:

(1) Avoid gas that is not at least Top Tier. Generally the only places that sell gas that isn't at least Top Tier are grocery store brands and maybe some convenience store brands. The savings with those brands is usually only a couple or so cents a gallon compared to the least expensive Top Tier brands (ARCO, Costco) and your car will perform better (including improved mpg) and need less maintenance.

(2) Buy the least expensive Top Tier or above gas that is convenient. You aren't going to notice any difference in performance or maintenance if you pay extra for some brand's particular proprietary blend.

  • OptionOfT 33 minutes ago

    Also, don't buy 89 or 91 if your car doesn't require it. My previous car said: 91, at a minimum 89.

    Current car says: 93, at a minimum 91. I don't have 93 here. So 91 it is.

    But going the other way is just wasteful.

  • notahacker 4 hours ago

    I think my favourite in the UK is the town I grew up in, where the cheapest petrol station is 100 yards down the two lane road from a more expensive one, so you could actually see the cheaper prices from the forecourt of the more expensive one...

londons_explore 9 hours ago

There is an app called 'PetrolPrices' which seems to have a pretty complete price database. It's much better than this government API so far.

  • pixelesque 2 hours ago

    That's often out of date, and the UI is pretty buggy (at least on iOS).

    There's also 'Gaspy' which is really a NZ app that was very popular in NZ (I used to live there) where people submit and confirm prices, but in the UK there aren't that many users (hasn't got critical mass), so there are often no prices or things are very out-of-date.

  • teamonkey 3 hours ago

    I’ve used that app for some time but unfortunately it relies on user reporting, and the prices can be days or weeks out of date.

  • tolien 44 minutes ago

    The AA also show prices through their app.

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nmeofthestate 10 hours ago

I wonder if the CSV is supposed to list all petrol stations, as currently it only has 4 with city==Edinburgh.

Edit: after asking AI about this I would say the CSV is pretty useless as a comprehensive source of info on UK fuel prices.

  • tene80i 10 hours ago

    It’s only just been launched. AI isn’t a great way to find out about brand new things.

    • nmeofthestate 9 hours ago

      Apparently although it is a requirement to upload data from today, there's an effective grace period of 3 months (sorry - got that from AI).

pjc50 10 hours ago

This is neat, great use of public data, and just in time for the ICE phaseout starting within a decade.

  • entuno 9 hours ago

    Set's an good precedent for places that offer electric charging having to do the same thing in future though.

    • rcxdude 4 hours ago

      These are usually already available on the various charging apps and maps, especially because it can vary by a lot.

      • triceratops 4 minutes ago

        Charging apps suck. Why can't charging work just like gas? Tap a card and you're done.

cpfleming 10 hours ago

Bit better than the original trial of "stick a JSON file somewhere on your website" - neat.

buckle8017 10 hours ago

Needs a solver for cost that takes fuel needed, distance to station, fuel economy, and value of the drivers time.

xnorswap 10 hours ago

This is great news. There used to be a handy email newsletter that did this, but then when everything became "apps" the newsletter disappeared in favour of an app, which then became a premium paid service only.

  • embedding-shape 9 hours ago

    It's missing closing the circle with one of the users of the premium paid only service to start their own newsletter because they got tired of the paid product. It's only a matter of time.

londons_explore 9 hours ago

They have a REST API for the stations... Great.

But they also need a little WebUI for stations to manually update prices, since small stations won't have a programmer on staff to do this stuff.

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drcongo 10 hours ago

Yesterday I had to drive to a nearby town, just 20 minutes away, and noticed that every single petrol station there was a good 5p per litre cheaper than my town. I might plug this into a map.

  • entuno 10 hours ago

    The variation in even a couple of miles can be pretty big. I almost never go out of my way to visit a cheaper petrol station because that's usually a false economy, but there are definitely some local places that I favour or avoid because they're almost always cheaper/more expensive than the surrounding ones.

  • blibble 10 hours ago

    as much as I try to stay away from Google products: waze shows this on the usual driving map quite well

    • drcongo 9 hours ago

      I had to give up Waze over xmas because it refused to give me the 1 hour, straight down the motorway route, and instead tried to send me a bizarre route that would take 2.5 hours. Switched to Apple Maps and haven't gone back, though I do miss the fact that Waze shows you your current speed.

      • blibble 8 hours ago

        > though I do miss the fact that Waze shows you your current speed.

        this is the only reason I use waze!

        • thebruce87m an hour ago

          I feel like I’m missing something here - presumably your vehicle has a speedometer? What does the Waze speed dial give you over this?

          Unless you mean that it has the speed limit too, if so I agree that it’s a must have, along with the speed camera alerts.

constantcrying 3 hours ago

Why is the government doing this, this seems like a ridiculous waste.

Here in Germany private corporations provide APIs for this. Google maps straight up tells you the price at nearby stations.

Maybe the UK government should focus on things such as their crumbling infrastructure, their almost non existent GDP growth or getting rid of their knife murderer and rapist population?

traceroute66 10 hours ago

99% of UK government IT makes you despair and then you get the 1% like this which are gems.

  • tene80i 10 hours ago

    Gov.uk services are generally pretty high quality, at least from the citizen’s POV.

    • ifwinterco 4 hours ago

      Yes one thing the UK state genuinely does well in general

      • ggm an hour ago

        And, the website feedback hooks are read by the coding team. I got a meaningful response to a UX issue inside 48h.

jpfromlondon 10 hours ago

More unnecessary meddling, this causes price convergence so anyone living close to a typically lower cost source of fuel is going to have an almost imperceptible increase in relative cost.

They certainly love spending taxpayer money on nothing don't they.

  • graemep 10 hours ago

    Providing better price information makes a market work better.

    • jpfromlondon 8 hours ago

      In the above model prices converge on a mean, reducing the potential savings for those that price really matters (the poor are the ones most likely to check existing price discovery sites), thus it's regressive - the government are either seeing it as an opportunity to marginally increase tax rake, or more likely are oblivious to the externality of the poor bearing the burden.

      • notahacker 4 hours ago

        That's... not how markets work. The cheap petrol stations are very much aware that they're cheaper than their neighbours already. The more expensive ones may feel some downward pressure, but mostly won't.

        People who are price sensitive can discover cheaper alternatives more easily; others still won't bother

      • graemep 7 hours ago

        Which model? Tested how? Are the poor the most likely to check existing sites?

        This is not a new sites. Its making data more available so sites and apps will have more accurate data. This is most likely to benefit those who are willing to trade convenience for lower costs.

  • advisedwang 4 hours ago

    Conversely, some expensive petrol stations won't be able to get away with staying so expensive.

  • bonsai_spool 9 hours ago

    > More unnecessary meddling

    This is a funny take, because we ostensibly assume 'perfect information' when we extol the virtues of capitalism. It would appear the government is supporting capitalism with this particular initiative...

    • jpfromlondon 8 hours ago

      We don't assume perfect information, or rather - it exists already in an unsanctioned form for those that seek it (usually those to whom price is sensitive).

      Until this we assume marginality holds true and price dispersion has a benefit in society that we unwittingly enable.