locknitpicker 17 hours ago

> Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft.

I don't know what you mean by China "getting rid of Microsoft" in the context of cloud providers. I mean, Azure is already present in China's internet, and just like any cloud provider present in China it's presence is a partnership with local cloud providers.

Russia is getting rid of Microsoft not because it has a choice. They are subjected to sanctions due to their invasion of Ukraine, and that essentially cut their access to all tech services. By that measuring stick, Russia is also getting rid of Boeing and Airbus.

  • ivan_gammel 15 hours ago

    The most interesting part is that they do not rely on Western software solutions (Russia still needs hardware, China may reach full autonomy soon enough). If they could do it relatively quickly, EU can do it too. And EU now has exactly the same incentives.

tosapple 19 hours ago

While they ditch Microsoft, Amazon and Oracle: we still use Linux, Sel4, ASML and ARM.

There's lots of interesting stuff to watch out for.

  • krzyk 16 hours ago

    What's wrong in using Linux. It is an open source project with origins in Finland and still lead by a Fin.

  • akudha 18 hours ago

    What is wrong with using Linux?

    • direwolf20 16 hours ago

      Linus Torvalds is very pro–corporate, pro–tivoization, he thinks GPL3 was a terrible mistake.

      • imtringued 15 minutes ago

        He is against the "GPLv3 or later clause" because the FSF could change the license terms if it gets hijacked.

      • palata 13 hours ago

        Is he pro-tivoization, or is he not against it?

        I heard him talk about GPLv3 someday, and what he said was that it was a mistake to call it "GPLv3", as if it was the evolution of GPLv2, because for him it should have been a totally different licence.

        Which I find fair: there are different kinds of copyleft (like MPL vs GPL), it makes sense to say that GPLv2 is a different concept than GPLv3. Whereas I don't know if anyone should use GPLv1 because GPLv2 sounds like it fixed GPLv1 without changing its spirit.

  • mikeyouse 17 hours ago

    Isn’t Sel4 Australian?

    • christophilus 17 hours ago

      All of the things OP mentioned are non-US tech. I think the OP was speaking from a US perspective, though it’s not clear.

  • hbogert 18 hours ago

    what's wrong with using european stuff? (ARM, ASML)

    :P

    • dijit 17 hours ago

      Isn’t ARM owned by Softbank? (Japanese)

      • hbogert 3 hours ago

        totally missed this, yep major stake is by Softbank. We europeans like to talk about sovereignty but we sell our stuff pretty easily :D

Zigurd 19 hours ago

True but obv. Only lunatics would use a Russian cloud service. The interesting part is whether and what extent China is different. Also, why Europe should start treating us like Russians.

  • ericmay 14 hours ago

    > The interesting part is whether and what extent China is different

    Much worse for the EU, both strategically and economically. You’ll be able to buy Chinese services and give them your data and money, but you won’t be able to operate in their market. Germany is feeling the pain there. [1] Strategically they’re a Russian ally and are actively supporting Russia’s war against Ukraine and further aims against the EU.

    Something like Russia -> China -> US as worst to least worst partners.

    The EU should invest in technical and military capabilities and divest from reliance on other countries and echos the US American position very closely.

    [1] For example https://www.autoblog.com/features/germanys-auto-industry-is-...

  • allarm 18 hours ago

    > why Europe should start treating us like Russians.

    I don't know, maybe because your president is a dangerous lunatic? I really enjoy these "are we the baddies?" moments.

    • spiderfarmer 17 hours ago

      I’m not sure he’s getting it yet. Maybe he’s just not personally affected yet.

    • throwaway902984 17 hours ago

      Was that not an imperative statement agreeing with your cathartic comment? A little weird there isn't an explicit "this is why", but asking questions with a poorly conjugated why along with bad punctuation isn't usually a native speakers habit.

      • bee_rider 14 hours ago

        They said in a follow-up comment that they intentionally wrote something ambiguous, so… I don’t know, I wouldn’t waste too many cycles on comments that are deliberately unclear.

  • isodev 18 hours ago

    > why Europe should start treating us like Russians

    Because your CEOs have become power players in your politics and that’s generally a Russian/Oligarch thing.

    Like Apple trying to wiggle their way out of the DMA and when their bs arguments fail in court they send peach daddy with tariffs and what not.

  • kaffekaka 18 hours ago

    You have a pro-russian leader.

    • philipallstar 18 hours ago

      The massive sanctions he's placing on Russian oil make that impossible to believe.

      • wokkel 17 hours ago

        Those can also be explained by favouring usa/venezuela oil while still supporting Russian politics. For example: in the Ukraine war he is constantly seeking ways and arguments to support putins position even though he is one of the few leaders worldwide who do this.

        • philipallstar 14 hours ago

          They're not favouring - they're even enforcing secondary sanctions on Russian oil on China and India, which is difficult and expensive.

          The fact that you can divine pro-Putin things from his speech means nothing compared to him performing massively powerful economic action against Putin.

      • varispeed 14 hours ago

        These sanctions make no difference, except make people say things like you say.

      • throwaway902984 17 hours ago

        I think it is fair to separate putin and russia. I mean, I don't think he uses our society as proxy for his own ego. I think he really likes Putin.

      • spiderfarmer 17 hours ago

        You must be one of the few who still believes what Trump says to the media after nearly 100k proven lies.