Starlink updates privacy policy to allow consumer data to train
(finance.yahoo.com)121 points by malchow a day ago
121 points by malchow a day ago
Wireguard to where? Another ISP/VPN that can also sell/MITM your traffic just as well? Non-residential exit IPs are also very often blocked by many websites.
https fixes that mostly - unless your talking about metadata
My home internet is 5G, and many, many websites are blocked or have infinite captcha loops... even well-known sites. Etsy is blocked. Reddit/Discord/Locals is blocked. Archive.is only captcha loops. Even libera IRC is blocked. Trying to buy products online often gets the order flagged or canceled as a potential bot or VPN. IPs are rotated often so I unfortunately have to share bad-reputation IPs with people who keep the addresses on global blacklists like DroneBL that are used by many sites. Even 4chan blocks most of the IPs I get because other people post CP from there.
Trying to use a VPS/cloud IP or well-known VPN provider, the experience for me is just as bad or worse.
For some, the issue is a lot worse than you think.
I never understood the business case for Starlink. You're either on fiber or 5G.
You're not the target audience.
In many places, 5G doesn't work and you have to pay a lot for fiber installation.
I live in a place with no fiber and no 5G. Here’s your business case.
So a high latency connection that is also susceptible to atmospheric effects and run by a madman is okay?
I am still on DSL because there is no fiber or 5g internet here yet*. And I live on the edge of an area with 500k people. DSL is good enough for 4k streaming video and anything else I need and costs me $65.
Why on earth would I want to make things worse by using starlink?
Of course, if I lived 50 miles from a gas station, that is different. But living rural has many risks and downsides that the people out there accept.
*This is the real issue. If corporations had to put its customers(and employees) on the same level as shareholders(very few actually benefit the corporation directly because they don't buy stock directly from the company) a lot of problems would be solved. Or, if companies realized that taking care of the customer and employees first means that everything else will follow.
I’m in Europe. Where I live 4g is spotty at best. My two options are Starlink that gives me a 350/50 connection or a legacy provider that has a FWA 30/5 at the same price.
That’s it, those are the two options. Difference in price between those two is 4€
There are massive areas in the US not covered by 5G, or any cell service. Are you just assuming that coverage is 100% everywhere?
Most places I'm at with 5G also have really poor speeds, usually under 10Mbps download with fairly high latency. Not really suitable for a primary internet connection.
You don’t even have to get very remote in Australia before the best on offer was dialup over copper before starlink.
… now multiply that by all the remote regions of earth.
i wonder what consumer data they even have to train? they explicitly disclaim using customers’ internet data:
> As a Starlink customer, you may share information with third parties (for example, when you send an email or communicate with a third-party website). In this context, we are not sharing personal information; you are using our Services to share data, and we are merely connecting you to the Internet.
edit: reading this again, i may have misinterpreted this as “we don’t share this data” instead of “this isn’t considered us sharing data”. although in Section 1 they say they only collect diagnostic data in relation to customers’ connection speed/duration etc
Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46647716
The objective of every technocracy is to ensconce the entire planet in a panopticon. SpaceX is not sending those internet satellites into space just for consumer internet applications. Those satellites are also going to maintain the control plane for the sensors & actuators in the future technocratic panopticon.
Yep -- https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_syst...
Musk has been working on that project since 2001 at least.
We need another young Kary, but using shrapnel instead of frogs.
You're talking about a company owned by one of the richest "tech bro" out there. He's not just an ISP, he's a visionary (for better or worse) with a lots of ideas.
TLS payload is encrypted, but meta data (such as SNI and other fingerprints) is not. These meta data could still be valuable for someone who know how to utilize it.
The most interesting data running through Starlink is Ukrainian and Russian military comms (including feeds from drones). I wonder if Musk actually plans to tap into that.
Given their inherit latency, and cost; the equation for running everything via Wireguard is surly worth it.