Comment by ifwinterco

Comment by ifwinterco 4 days ago

7 replies

Short term: no

Long term: yes, especially if you combine really high taxes in the 40+% range with consistently rubbish public services

But the real question is not whether people will leave, the question is how many talented hard working people chose not to move to your country in the first place because your taxes were too high. It won't show up in any data, you'll just experience worse economic growth and have to tax everyone else more

thinkingtoilet 4 days ago

The answer is just no. Massachusetts passed a tax on income over a million dollars and despite the ads that were obvious lies, we have more millionaires now than we did a few years ago. Turns out, rich people like to live in places that have well funded infrastructure, good schools, a thriving art scene, etc...

  • ifwinterco 4 days ago

    Yep people will pay rates in "high tax" US states where you're still only paying ~40% ish total income tax and they're really nice places to live.

    That would still be considered a fair and reasonable level of tax by european standards.

    Obviously there is a level though - if you made it 95% then people would leave. I don't think there's any reasonable argument that the level doesn't exist, the question is where is it for a specific place at a specific time

    • thinkingtoilet 4 days ago

      95% on what? Income over a million dollars. Income over 10 million dollars? If you like living in a super liberal state and super liberal city like Boston, you're not going to move to Texas just because you're getting taxed higher. Rich people are still absurdly rich, I feel like that gets lost in these discussions. These taxes don't materially effect them in anyway but have massive benefits for society.

      • ifwinterco 4 days ago

        Rich people tend to actually be penny pinchers in my experience and most will object to 95% income tax out of principle.

        You could say "well good riddance" but taxing $10mn of income at 20% raises a lot more useful money than taxing $0 of income at 95%

  • hackeraccount 4 days ago

    To be brutal about it the question isn't a how many more millionaires. Say Massachusetts has 10 new millionaires. That's great. What if Florida has 1000 new millionaires? Suddenly 10 doesn't sound great.

    To my mind it's a revenue maximizing question. Is Massachusetts hitting that metric right? I have no clue. I do suspect that the voters and the people advocating taxes like this in Massachusetts and California are not thinking in those terms. I think they are doing this out of some sense that anyone making that much has to be doing something unfair and that an inefficiency in revenue is just money spent towards fixing that unfairness.

    • thinkingtoilet 4 days ago

      It has dramatically increased revenue, more than expected. Also, if you're the type of person who thinks you shouldn't pay your fair share, feel free to move somewhere else. We have the best schools in the country. We have a strong social safety net. We have a high quality of life. Shit, we live longer than almost any other state. So please, if that's not your thing, take your money and leave immediately.

  • lucaspm98 4 days ago

    The correlation between higher state and local taxes (beyond some reasonable baseline) and improved public service is tenuous at best in much of the US.

    I'm happy to concede Massachusetts may very well have found the right balance, but there's plenty of studies on this in aggregate.

    There's unsurprisingly a modest but statistically significant migration of millionaires from high-tax to low-tax jurisdictions.

    https://www.asanet.org/wp-content/uploads/attach/journals/ju...