Comment by throwaway431234

Comment by throwaway431234 5 days ago

41 replies

SoundCloud is the worst company, so hostile to former paying users! I am a hobbyist songwriter and have posted my rough mixes (Apple's Music Memo app which adds drum and bass automagically with two clicks & then mix it in Garage Band) on my SoundCloud for more then ten years. I signed up for their Artist Pro account and was a member for of such consistently for a few years at $17 a month. Once you cancel they then hold all your music hostage by hiding it and later threat to delete it. Horrid!

direwolf20 5 days ago

A former paying user is not a customer. If you don't pay, why should you receive service? I buy a pizza at this pizza shop every week, but I still don't get free ones.

SoundCloud is European, so most of the dark patterns used by American companies to offer "free" service are not available to them, and they are required by law to actually delete data instead of pretending to delete it.

  • Scoundreller 5 days ago

    > I buy a pizza at this pizza shop every week, but I still don't get free ones.

    Do they take the leftovers from your fridge when you stop buying?

    • internetter 5 days ago

      The analogy was bad. You're effectively renting space in their fridge. In that case, absolutely.

    • direwolf20 5 days ago

      If I haven't bought pizza for two months, they use their magical ray, reach into my fridge and turn the leftovers into mold.

hombre_fatal 5 days ago

The difference between Artist vs Pro is three hours vs unlimited uploaded music.

So if you had over three hours uploaded, it seems reasonable for them to restrict the service. If you had <= three, then it would a problem.

goblin89 5 days ago

SoundCloud used to be good prior to the redesign.

Recently I decided to evaluate it for serious use and start posting there again, only until their new uploader told me I need to switch to a paid plan, even though I triple-checked I was well within free limits and under my old now unused username I uploaded a lot more (mostly of experimental things I am not that proud of anymore).

It looks like their microservices architecture is in chaos and some system overrides the limits outlined in the docs with stricter ones. How can I be sure they respect the new limits once I do pay, instead of upselling me the next plan in line?

Adding to that things like the general jankiness or the never-ending spam from “get more fake listeners for $$$” accounts (which seem to be in an obvious symbiosis with the platform, boosting the numbers for optics), the last year’s ambiguous change in ToS allowing them to train ML systems on your work, it was enough for me to drop it. Thankfully, it was a trial run and I did not publish any pending releases.

If you still publish on SoundCloud, and you do original music (as opposed to publishing, say, DJ sets, where dealing with IP is problematic), ask yourself whether it is timr to grow up and do proper publishing!

  • storystarling 5 days ago

    This sounds like a classic consistency vs latency trade-off. Enforcing strict quotas across distributed services usually requires coordination that kills performance. They likely rely on asynchronous counters that drift, meaning the frontend check passes but the backend reconciliation fails later. It is surprisingly hard to solve this without making the uploader feel sluggish.

    • LoganDark 5 days ago

      That would explain why the front-end would allow you to attempt something that goes over your limits, but not why the back-end would reject something that doesn't go over your limits.

      • goblin89 5 days ago

        My bet at the time was that they have a bunch of hidden extra limits based on account age, IP/user agent information, etc. If that is true, their problem is that they advertise the larger limits instead of the smaller limits (to get more users signed up), and that they do not communicate when their extra limits apply and instead straight up upsell you, which are both dark patterns.

      • storystarling 4 days ago

        Fair point. I suspect it comes down to ghost reservations or stale caches. If a previous upload failed mid-flight but didn't roll back the quota reservation immediately, the backend thinks you're over the limit until a TTL expires. Or you delete something to free up space, but the decrement hasn't propagated to the replica checking your quota yet.

      • storystarling 5 days ago

        Fair point. I suspect it comes down to how they handle retries. If an upload times out but the counter already incremented, the system sees the space as used until an async cleanup job runs. It is really common to have ghost usage in eventually consistent systems.

crazybonkersai 5 days ago

You can export your entire profile using yt-dlp. Of course you have to do it, when you are still a paying customer.

  • thenthenthen 5 days ago

    Do this regularly, like youtube soundclownd ‘silent’ deletes favorites and also blocks songs based on your vpn/geo location. I lost so much music… so i need to resort to scraping. Simple solution: make the song unavailable but please just keep the entry (name-title) in your fav. list.

  • dylan604 5 days ago

    Why would someone that writes their own songs, mixes in GarageBand, uploads to a 3rd party website need to use yt-dlp to get back the files that they themselves made?

    Yes, I'm intentionally victim blaming here. The victim is complaining about a 3rd party site deleting files. Who cares? Why would you have as your only source of your files the copies stored by the 3rd party?

    • crazybonkersai 5 days ago

      You get a point there, but export is mostly about metadata, eg images and description.

      Data loss happens too. Soundcloud may be your only source of your own tracks.

    • throwaway431234 5 days ago

      Date of publication (copyright) is important to a songwriter. Soundcloud im sure knows this! Probably should have said this from the top!

    • direwolf20 5 days ago

      Not only that, the victim is complaining about a paid file storage company deleting the files when the victim stops paying

PunchyHamster 5 days ago

that just sounds like customer not paying for service not getting the service

  • bestham 5 days ago

    The service is freemium, so they had a limited account. Decided to pay for a premium account. And apparently can’t downgrade and get back what they once had.

    • input_sh 5 days ago

      I'm just guessing, but this:

      > and have posted my rough mixes [...] on my SoundCloud for more then ten years

      ...easily implies >3h of uploads, which is over the free plan limit. If you're over that limit and stop paying, yes, it makes perfect sense that they'd threaten with deletion of some of your existing uploads.

  • throwaway431234 5 days ago

    They first hide your songs and as time goes on they start threaten to delete your songs if you dont pay

    • colordrops 5 days ago

      What should they do instead? spend money continuously holding your music on disk forever even though you aren't paying them for the service? Sounds like they are being cool about it by keeping it around for a while and warning you before deleting it.

      • goblin89 5 days ago

        The marketing move of offering an unlimited plan reveals that storage and traffic are not that expensive and someone made a choice that light users will subsidize heavy users. With that, hiding your data from you and subsequently deleting it, at least without first encouraging you to download it within some post-downgrade grace period, would be a choice, not necessity, and is user-hostile.

        If it is an actual necessity—a service chose to market an unlimited plan to attract more users, and then realized they are losing money on storage and traffic so much that they would unapologetically burn bridges with existing users who showed themselves as willing to pay (who maybe needed to downgrade temporarily for whatever reason) with the above move—and yet their strategy is apparently to keep offering that plan (in hopes to turn things around with more light users joining?), I would question whether that service has serious issues with even medium term planning.

      • dzhiurgis 5 days ago

        As a listener I'd pay (a reasonable amount like <$5 per month) to only listen to mixes, especially if it can be filtered by bitrate.

        Their best feature is social feed - I only see reposts from people I follow. But for branching out / discovery might be cool to see what their feed looks like, so something like "show followees feed".

      • throwaway431234 5 days ago

        Overall what Im saying is they treat their non-paying customers better then their paying ones. Once I was a paying customer after having and using my free account for over 7 years then converting to a paying customer and having to cancel Soundcloud became hostile.

        • direwolf20 5 days ago

          Did you have more stored data than the limit for stored data for unpaid accounts?

  • dzhiurgis 5 days ago

    I'd pay for Soundcloud, but not sure what I'd get for over free version. It costs more than Apple Music and offering offline nowadays is lol feature.

jacquesm 5 days ago

You mean you never kept your originals but just uploaded and deleted the masters?

  • throwaway431234 5 days ago

    Date of publication (copyright) is important to a songwriter even if there are a hobbyist.

    • jacquesm 4 days ago

      That was a solved problem before the days of the internet.

gmueckl 5 days ago

Are there any alternatives?