Comment by scotty79

Comment by scotty79 an hour ago

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> Mathematics is such an old field, older than anything except arguably philosophy

If we are already venturing outside of scientific realm with philosophy, I'm sure fields of literature or politics are older. Especially since philosophy is just a subset of literature.

saithound an hour ago

> I'm sure fields of literature or politics are older.

As far as anybody can tell, mathematics is way older than literature.

The oldest known proper accounting tokens are from 7000ish BCE, and show proper understanding of addition and multiplication.

The people who made the Ishango bone 25k years ago were probably aware of at least rudimentary addition.

The earliest writings are from the 3000s BCE, and are purely administrative. Literature, by definition, appeared later than writing.

  • thaumasiotes 43 minutes ago

    > As far as anybody can tell, mathematics is way older than literature.

    That depends what you mean by "literature". If you want it to be written down, then it's very recent because writing is very recent.

    But it would be normal to consider cultural products to be literature regardless of whether they're written down. Writing is a medium of transmission. You wouldn't study the epic of Gilgamesh because it's written down. You study it to see what the Sumerians thought about the topics it covers, or to see which god some iconography that you found represents, or... anything that it might plausibly tell you. But the fact that it was written down is only the reason you can study it, not the reason you want to.

    • mkl 38 minutes ago

      > That depends what you mean by "literature". If you want it to be written down

      That is what literature means: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/literature#Noun

      • pfortuny 31 minutes ago

        Well, then poetry is not literature.

        • thaumasiotes 26 minutes ago

          No, the argument is even dumber than that. The person who writes a poem hasn't created any literature.

          The person who hears that poem in circulation and records it in his notes has created literature; an anthology is literature but an original work isn't.