Comment by Shank

Comment by Shank 6 hours ago

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The lack of competence from companies that acquire Japanese companies, and then fail to even price things in yen or offer support packages that cater to Japanese customers is really something. It's one thing to raise the price on a license, but it's another thing to not even support local pricing (you can even do this dynamically) or try to meet users halfway. The thing that companies like this do not understand is that simply changing the price structure on Japanese customers overnight with no acknowledgement of this comes off as entirely the wrong way. It ruins business relationships. Sure, Fontworks might have had a compelling product, but part of the product was their domestic presence.

Now the choice is realistically between Monotype (doesn't really understand the Japanese market) and DynaComware (Taiwan-based, but has previously interacted with Japanese companies). I wonder where their customers will go on short notice? As is mentioned, at least one company switched to DynaComware. SEGA's rhythm games contain both DynaFont (DynaComware) and Fontworks fonts, for example.

Basically, if you're going to raise prices, at least do something about the fact that your core market is heavily relationship dependent and won't take kindly to a sudden rug pull.

GoblinSlayer 4 hours ago

Looks like it's Oracle licensing strategy, not a mistake.

  • omnimus 3 hours ago

    It's Palo Alto equity firm HGGC so you are totally right it's Oracle playbook not a mistake.

kouteiheika 5 hours ago

> The lack of competence from companies that acquire Japanese companies, and then fail to even price things in yen or offer support packages that cater to Japanese customers is really something.

In general I don't think it's just that. Pretty much all font foundries have... insufferable business models.

I once emailed one Japanese foundry asking to license one of their font to use on my website. I wanted a perpetual, one-time license to use on a single website, and I wanted to store and serve their font from my server. I was even prepared to pay low four figures for it.

Nope. I was told I need to pay a subscription fee, and I need to use their crappy Javascript to serve it. Okay, if you don't want my money then I'm not going to insist.

  • rvnx 5 hours ago

    Soon they are going out of business anyway since they will be replaced by generative AI (which will look the same)

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    • jacobn 4 hours ago

      Shameless plug: https://fonthero.com - gen AI fonts, free while in beta ;)

      • xigoi 3 hours ago

        The fonts seem to have little Unicode coverage (no Greek letters for example), which is one thing that I wouldn’t expect an AI to have a problem with.

        • RobotToaster 2 hours ago

          Given that Chinese/Japanese characters are made from a limited number of strokes, generating them seems like an ideal application for AI.

      • tecleandor 2 hours ago

        No thanks. Not only for the AI, but I've tried to write a little japanese and all the fonts appear blank.

      • umanwizard 4 hours ago

        Please stop plugging AI crap on HN. If the relevance of human creativity is indeed breathing its last gasp, let us enjoy it in peace.

        And if not, then AI is overhyped and plugging it is even less justifiable.

        Either way, just stop.

kmeisthax 5 hours ago

There used to be a meme of people thinking that the Japanese market was somehow inherently biased to domestic companies and unwilling to touch western products. When the reality is moreso that almost every western company that tries launching products in Japan assumes they can just crush the local competition and gets their shit kicked in for the trouble.

The few companies that actually did well in Japan did so specifically because they spent at least five minutes to understand the local context and adapt their business to actually make sense there. Any western companies that actually do this get embraced like nothing else by the Japanese audience. I'm reminded of Apple deliberately pushing for emoji in Unicode just so they could sell iPhones that weren't beholden to the horrible mess that was Japanese telecom emoji standards...