Comment by dylan604

Comment by dylan604 21 hours ago

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I have so many disagreements with this post.

I know plenty of people in the food industry that are constantly trying new things at home and while staying late/early at work. I even know bartenders that are playing around with things at home. How many grease monkeys work at a shop on other people's cars yet go home and continue to turn a wrench on their own project car? My grandfather was a custom cabinet maker, and was always trying new things as a hobby project to be able to offer something different to his clients that other builders did not offer. There a plenty of people in non-software professions that like to push themselves outside of work. Just because you don't know any does not mean they do not exist.

Every industry has a group of employees that are essentially just there for a paycheck. This is not a unique thing to the software industry. The flip side of your deeming people lazy/not passionate for not wanting to work for free is that perspective is just off. Just because someone has other commitments does not mean they are lazy. Having a family tends to cut into free time during nights and weekends. Being lazy would mean doing nothing during that time, and I can assure you people busy with family would also love to have time for doing nothing.

This just boils down to people really not understanding personal/work life balance. It just so happens that young people that seem "hungry and passionate" because they spend so much time at work are also people that tend to not have family which affords them a lot of this "passion time" for growing. It's a very simple and normal situation in people's growth. Not being able to recognize that for what it is to me is the thing that should be really questioned.

TrackerFF 19 hours ago

Of course you will find some professions where work and hobby overlap, but that does not hold for most professions out there. Most of the working world will clock out and mentally check out as soon as the workday is over. Even when only counting professional work.

  • dylan604 18 hours ago

    I have plenty of hobbies that I can't wait until 5 so I can get back to them. I actually get mad when I realize I'm thinking about work outside of work hours. My hobbies all lean toward the creative side making things by hand, but even that sometimes entails using a computer. Just because it involves using a computer does not mean it's work related. For work, I code and build workflows. For hobbies, I dabble at making graphic design that is just a notch or two better than amateur. I've even coded a few hobby projects to build electronic stuff for my photography adventures.

    I really feel like you personally might have a problem separating work/life if you're this emotional about it. If you really think that software peeps are the only ones that have this issue, it comes across as you not being able to see the forest through the trees, you might be too scoped in, or any other similar saying you want to use. You're definitely painting with a very broad brush, and it's not coming across well as you're now painting me into something I most certainly am not.

closeparen 14 hours ago

There's a saying in live audio: I mix for free. I get paid to haul equipment.

I code for free. I get paid to deal with JIRA, Zoom meetings, and the Bay Area.

ozim 19 hours ago

There is also a huge difference between “hey I am leaving at 5 because I have life outside of the job” and “hey I just collect paychecks here”.

  • dylan604 18 hours ago

    A long time ago, I had a co-worker that would stand next to the time clock with card in hand ready to "get those goose eggs" by swiping out exactly at 5:00. In the morning, he'd stand there waiting to swipe in at 8:29 until it said 8:30. In his words, "I give them what they give me, 40 hours".