Comment by bsder

Comment by bsder 3 days ago

12 replies

Yeah, the 6809 is just ridiculously good to learn assembly language on. Motorola cleaned up all the idiocies from the 6800 on the 6809.

The attention the 6502 get is just because of history. The advantage the 6502 had was that it was cheap--on every other axis the 6502 sucked.

classichasclass 3 days ago

Sucked, compared to? If the 6502 sucked on every other metric but cost, while it would have gotten some use I don't think it would have been as heavily used as it was.

  • Someone 2 days ago

    The 6502 is from 1975, the 6809 from 1978.

    The 6800 (from 1974) could have been competitive with the 6502, but (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_6809#6800_and_6502):

    “The 6800 was initially sold at $360 in single-unit quantities, but had been lowered to $295. The 6502 was introduced at $25, and Motorola immediately reduced the 6800 to $125. It remained uncompetitive and sales prospects dimmed. The introduction of the Micralign to Motorola's lines allowed further reductions and by 1981 the price of the then-current 6800P was slightly less than the equivalent 6502, at least in single-unit quantities. By that point, however, the 6502 had sold tens of millions of units and the 6800 had been largely forgotten.”

jacquesm 3 days ago

Imagine a world where the Apple II had a 6800 later upgraded to 6809...

  • hashmash 3 days ago

    It wouldn't have happened because the 6809 wasn't binary compatible with the 6800.

    • djmips 2 days ago

      The 6809 was SOURCE compatible with the 6800 - you can assemble 6800 code on a 6809 assembler and it will run with perhaps very minor tweaks.

    • jacquesm 3 days ago

      So?

      • hashmash 3 days ago

        Because none of the existing software would work. The idea of running a Rosetta-like feature on an 8-bit CPU isn't feasible. The Apple II eventually received an upgraded processor, the 65816, which was compatible with the 6502.

  • bsder 3 days ago

    Then the Apple II would never have sold.

    The 6800 was expensive versus the 6502--almost 10x (6502 was $25 when the 6800 was $175 which was already reduced from $360)!

    • jacquesm 3 days ago

      Yes, I was thinking more from a tech perspective, not from a price perspective.

    • djmips 2 days ago

      And yeah, there was a 6502 Apple I too!