Comment by chasing0entropy

Comment by chasing0entropy 3 days ago

69 replies

Remove the antennas. Do not give in to the mirage of convenience.

Use a stand alone generic GPS. Vehicle GPS devices are anti privacy for so many reasons.

Listen to stored music from an SD card if terrestrial radio (NO SATELLITE). Did you know almost ALL late model cars can play a <128gb FAT32 USB drive with non- vbr mp3s? 64gb filled with 168kb mp3 audio would take roughly 3 years at 4 hours a day to listen to.

TURN YOUR PHONE OFF. Your phone does more than track you - the Bluetooth and wifi beacon scanners are always running. When you come across another person, most phones track the intersection of your beacon with theirs making a new data point that compromises both individuals privacy. Now consider sitting at a stoplight; you and and the 10 phones around you have now correlated the time and position you were sitting there. The person jogging by with no phone(but a set of Bluetooth headphones) is also tracked by their Bluetooth signature. Terrifying.

Disable autonomous driving hardware by unplugging the cables from the interior cameras. If your car needs to see and feel you in order to do it's job, it's co-dependent; break up with it.

Ignore your car's complaints and error messages. Did you know Orange dash error lights are non critical?

jeroenhd 3 days ago

> Did you know Orange dash error lights are non critical?

Your car will happily display an orange light while a bad fuel mixture is poisoning your catalytic converter to the point where it needs replacing to meet any kind of emissions test. Same with other signs of engine stress.

Don't ignore dash lights unless you know what they mean or you're willing to pay the cost of disposing of your car.

Of course many places won't even allow you to disconnect all the antennae as a non-functional TPMS makes your car unroadworthy in various jurisdictions. You could quickly reconnect everything and clear the error codes before testing, but I'm not sure if the hassle is even worth the illusion that of being untraceable.

gruez 3 days ago

>TURN YOUR PHONE OFF. Your phone does more than track you - the Bluetooth and wifi beacon scanners are always running. When you come across another person, most phones track the intersection of your beacon with theirs making a new data point that compromises both individuals privacy. Now consider sitting at a stoplight; you and and the 10 phones around you have now correlated the time and position you were sitting there. The person jogging by with no phone(but a set of Bluetooth headphones) is also tracked by their Bluetooth signature. Terrifying.

All phones nowadays have bluetooth/wifi mac address randomization, so it's basically useless for tracking, not to mention google/apple conscripting every phone into a wardriving network will kill battery life. Moreover all this effort in avoiding being tracked doesn't really mean much when all cars have a very visible and unique identifier that's mandated by law (ie. license plate).

  • tavavex 2 days ago

    > Moreover all this effort in avoiding being tracked doesn't really mean much when all cars have a very visible and unique identifier that's mandated by law (ie. license plate).

    I agree with the first half, but not this. The difference between people seeing your license plate and your car/phone/etc systematically recording and storing your exact position is the same as the difference between someone on the street seeing my face vs. a facial recognition camera identifying me and storing that data point forever. People don't memorize or care about your plates. The police could take note of them or even put it on some record, but the number of cops is so low (and the number of cops that would care about my license plates is even lower) that whatever scraps of data are recorded would probably be pretty useless - and besides, that data isn't sold off to private entities, at least where I am.

  • gattilorenz 3 days ago

    > All phones nowadays have bluetooth/wifi mac address randomization

    Source?

galleywest200 3 days ago

> Ignore your car's complaints and error messages. Did you know Orange dash error lights are non critical?

"Tire pressure low" is one you should probably check out on a regular basis.

  • everdrive 3 days ago

    But in exchange for being tracked we've been saved from the scourge of occasionally checking our tire pressure. Why, I'd give up almost anything just to be slightly more comfortable.

  • chneu 3 days ago

    Yeah that's terrible advice. Learning to ignore safety warnings is an amazing way to wind up stranded or with a destroyed car because you decided to ignore a warning light

    • potato3732842 3 days ago

      The first 100yr of automobiles didn't have TPMS and it was mostly fine.

      • pixl97 3 days ago

        I mean if you consider that death rate per mile driven 'mostly fine'

  • sda2 3 days ago

    it may be better to code out TPMS anyways. I had a BMW that wouldn't allow you to enter Sport/Sport+ when TPMS light was on, what a drag.

    • cwmoore 3 days ago

      Does TPMS have any connection to BMW traction control?

mattmaroon 3 days ago

Yeah that’s great if you’re a CIA intelligence officer but what normal person can do this and still function in the modern world? Do the people who say this stuff leave their homes regularly?

And what’s the benefit of it all? Fewer targeted ads?

  • rTX5CMRXIfFG 2 days ago

    Leverage over your insurance provider sound good to you?

    • mattmaroon 2 days ago

      I am not sure how that works. I guessed I missed the technoparanoid discount.

      But I would value the time and inconvenience involved in this at more than my entire insurance bill.

  • ranger_danger 3 days ago

    > Do the people who say this stuff leave their homes regularly?

    Nope.

owenversteeg 2 days ago

I like the rest of the comment, but...

>Did you know Orange dash error lights are non critical?

That's not even remotely true for most cars. One of the most critical alarms you can get in a car is a flashing check engine light, which are usually orange.

encom 3 days ago

>Do not give in to the mirage of convenience.

I sympathise. However, being able to start de-icing my car while still in bed at 5:30 on a January morning is a powerful feature. And I'm the kind of person who wraps his tin foil hat no less than 10 layers thick.

Ideally this shouldn't involve the internet, because the car is in wifi range, but what can I do about it?

  • m463 3 days ago

    I have this with my keyfob.

    later vehicles "helpfully" removed this in favor of online remote starting (with added telematics)

  • AngryData 3 days ago

    You could probably get a 3rd party remote starter, however that is going to certainly cost you extra and probably won't be as simple as old school remote starters.

  • ryandrake 3 days ago

    People are suggesting all over these threads what we can do about it, but we (as a population) aren't. When my 2009 car dies, I'm going to deliberately NOT buy a new trackingmobile, and try to find another 2009 car to keep running. Yea, that means I occasionally need to take 30 seconds to scrape ice off the windshield. Big deal.

    • rcbdev 3 days ago

      Why 2009? I've been driving the same 2003 Audi TT all my life, never failed me.

      • tavavex 2 days ago

        The number of cars from 2003 is already dwindling and it's only going to keep going down. It's certainly much easier to find cars from the late 00s-early 10s right now if your only priority is not being tracked or bound to a web of different digital services and subscriptions.

teeray 3 days ago

> Remove the antennas. Do not give in to the mirage of convenience.

ERROR: unable to start engine.

  • m463 3 days ago

    Please drink a verification can.

    Actually I wonder if cars will just adopt "oh-you-need-anti-theft" like phones do. To prevent auto theft, all cars will be tracked and all parts must match serial numbers.

    • Puzzled_Cheetah 3 days ago

      > To prevent auto theft, all cars will be tracked and all parts must match serial numbers.

      Well, I suppose that's one way to end third party repairs. Just refuse to turn on if the chip in the new part doesn't match up with a code in the ECU. Like printer ink, but for every major component.

      'Error, cannot start engine: Authorised mirror not found. Please visit BMW for an authentic replacement. Driving with non-authentic mirrors may harm user safety.'

  • rasz 3 days ago

    In case of Subaru its "we are sorry your battery died trying to aggressively reconnect to the mothership, no we wont be paying for the replacement"

worldsavior 3 days ago

Ok stop with the panicking.

What's wrong with GPS in vehicles? If it's not connected to the internet, there is no issue.

What's wrong with playing music from the phone on Bluetooth or Aux? Did you also know you can ride a horse instead of a car?

Bluetooth and WiFi isn't running if you turned them off. Bluetooth also isn't really used for tracking unless someone is looking for you or you're part of some service like AirTags.

> Ignore your car's complaints and error messages. Did you know Orange dash error lights are non critical?

What? Worse advice out there regarding cars.

  • vitaflo 3 days ago

    >What's wrong with GPS in vehicles? If it's not connected to the internet, there is no issue.

    The GPS module is usually on the same board as the cellular module. Disconnecting the board (usually in the shark fin) disconnects the GPS module too.

  • u8080 2 days ago

    >Bluetooth and WiFi isn't running if you turned them off.

    BT and WiFi are running when turned off, at least on Android without extra opting out.

  • CamperBob2 3 days ago

    If it's not connected to the internet, there is no issue.

    It's connected to the Internet. Every car has a SIM card now.

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    • gruez 3 days ago

      >It's connected to the Internet. Every car has a SIM card now.

      Maybe every new car, but the average car is 13 years old, and the OP made no clarification on whether his advice was for only new cars, or for a 2015 econobox as well.

      • jeroenhd 3 days ago

        My car is older than that and came with an embedded SIM card. Quite a few navigation consoles had "live traffic updates" (often in trial format, but sometimes "lifetime") that basically consisted of 2G clients occasionally updating traffic data along planned routes. Not quite bottom of the line at the time, but also not uncommon at that point either. It's probably slightly worse than the dedicated satnav screens people were buying back when the car was new, although neither compares to what a smartphone will expose passively from just being inside of a moving car.

      • everdrive 3 days ago

        Most people don't know, and will never know whether their car is connected to the internet, so it's better to assume it is unless you have specific information. The app or phone you connect to the car could also be a major exfil point of this data.

reppap 3 days ago

No, I will use all this stuff and do so gladly.