Comment by AnthonyMouse

Comment by AnthonyMouse 3 days ago

> Not to mention rank-and-file American conservatives who see universities as bastions of liberal thought/power

To be fair, they kind of are. In the 20th century there were conservative academics at elite universities and they've since largely been excommunicated as heretics. Which has been a mistake, because then the people who would have agreed with them instead reject academia as a whole and latch on to demagogues, which is so much worse.

watwut 3 days ago

This is not true. Whole conservative departments do well and exist. Moreover, whole ideologically pure christian conservative universities exist. Literally kicking off students for "infractions" that go against evangelical orthodoxy.

Some people got off due to sexual harassment not being as cool as before, history and sociology started to study women and minorities. The problem is that conservatives see that just existing as a threat. If the history is not biased their way, they feel like victims.

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AnthonyMouse 3 days ago

Being segregated into different universities is exactly the thing you need not to happen, and your attitude is the exemplification of the problem. Who is going to feel welcome if their concerns are blindly maligned as prejudiced and in bad faith by default?

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- watwut 3 days ago
  
  It is not like liberals would created religious colleges. Religious colleges were created by evangelicals and they have rules that explicitly punish things like "woman having male visitor" or "being gay" or "not being religious". If what you want is ideological purity of evangelical Christianity, then yes, you have to create own institution. Which is exactly what conservatives did.
  Because it is extremely valid for other institutions and students to NOT be subject to the above. They were not kicked off other universities and less radical Christians still go there. Issue was that other universities did not punished non conservative thought and behavior enough. These conservatives do not want to share space with other nor to welcome anyone except those who are as conservative as them.
  Your argument is typical "up is down and down is up" reversal. Conservatives want to create their own segregated spaces, because places that accept and tolerate non conservatives are just not acceptable to them. Somehow that is framed as problem with those other places not accepting conservatives (meaning not punishing non conservatives enough).
  
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  AnthonyMouse 3 days ago
  
  > Religious colleges were created by evangelicals and they have rules that explicitly punish things like "woman having male visitor" or "being gay" or "not being religious".
  Which is dumb, but we're talking about the major schools everybody knows that used to have ideologically diverse faculty and don't anymore, not the ones of lesser influence founded by Baptists to begin with.
  The point of freedom is that other people are allowed to be fools without requiring you to be, not that everybody be required to choose which major brand of zealot they have to be.
  > Issue was that other universities did not punished non conservative thought and behavior enough.
  The issue is this:
  https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/scholars-under-fire-2...
  It's people saying "freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences" completely oblivious to the fact that freedom of speech literally is the thing where we don't punish people for speech. And then punishing people for expressing controversial/unpopular/heretical ideas.
  
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  inemesitaffia 3 days ago
  
  This is nonsense though.
  When academics were pushed out of Soviet and Chinese universities they had to leave to other locations or stop being productive.
  The fact they can set up their own schools is a plus in the USA.
  The disparate impact is clear.
  
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