Comment by wat10000

Comment by wat10000 4 days ago

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Things on earth also have access to that coldness for about half of each day. How many data centers use radiative cooling into the night sky to supplement their regular cooling? The fact that the answer is “zero” should tell you all you need to know about how useful this is.

foobarian 4 days ago

The atmosphere is in the way even at night, and re-radiates the energy. The effective background temperature is the temperature of the air, not to mention it would only work at night. I think there would need to be like 50-ish acres of radiators for a 50MW datacenter to radiate from 60 to 30C. This would be a lot smaller in space due to bigger temp delta. Either way opex would be much much less than average Earth DC (PUE almost 1 instead of run-of-the mill 1.5 or as low as 1.1 for hyperscalers). But yeah the upfront cost would be immense.

  • tstrimple 4 days ago

    I think you’re ignoring a huge factor in how radiative cooling actually works. I thought the initial question was fine if you hadn’t read the article but understand the downvotes due to doubling down. Think of it this way. Why do thermoses have a vacuum sealed chamber between two walls in order to insulate the contents of the bottle? Because a vacuum is a fucking terrible heat convector. Putting your data center into space in order to cool it is like putting a computer inside of a thermos to cool it. It makes zero fucking sense. There is nowhere for the heat to actually radiate to so it stays inside.

    • foobarian 4 days ago

      Pardon but this doesn't make sense to me. A 1 m^2 radiator in space can eliminate almost a kilowatt of heat.

      >vacuum is a fucking terrible heat convector

      Yes we're talking about radiating not convection

      • wat10000 3 days ago

        At what temperature?

        And a kilowatt from one square meter is awful. You can do far more than that with access to an atmosphere, never mind water.

      • kergonath 3 days ago

        > A 1 m^2 radiator in space can eliminate almost a kilowatt of heat.

        Assuming that this is the right order of magnitude, a 8MW datacenter discussed upthread would require ~8000 m^2, plus a fancy way of getting the heat there.

        A kilowatt is nothing. The workstation on my desk can sustain 1 kW.

        • mercutio2 3 days ago

          Why are you assuming active heat transfer? Passive is the way to go.

oceanplexian 3 days ago

Look up Tech Ingredients episode on Radiative Paint.

The fact that people aren’t using something isn’t evidence that it’s not possible or even a great idea, it could be that a practical application didn’t exist before or someone enterprising enough hasn’t come along yet.

  • wat10000 3 days ago

    When something has been known for millennia and hasn’t been put to a particular use even after decades where it could have been used, that is pretty good evidence that this use isn’t a good idea. Especially when it’s something really simple.

    Radiative cooling is great for achieving temperature a bit below ambient at night when you don’t have any modern refrigeration equipment. That’s about all. It’s used in space applications because it’s literally the only option.