Comment by ragazzina

Comment by ragazzina 6 hours ago

8 replies

> There's also a very big difference between "Engine failure: something has damaged or jammed enough components that the turbines are no longer spinning fast enough to produce thrust or drive the generators" and "Engine failure: the engine is no longer attached to the aircraft, which is why it is no longer producing thrust". However, both things are reported in the cockpit as ENG FAIL.

What is the difference?

mvkel an hour ago

It's the difference between "I can't walk because my leg fell asleep"

and

"I can't walk because I have no legs"

HPsquared 5 hours ago

Wider effects like damage to the wing or changes to aerodynamics.

Edit: and damage to other engines, possibly engine #2 in the tail ingesting debris in this instance.

  • bombcar 5 hours ago

    That's the biggest, the weight gone entirely unbalances the plane; if you knew exactly what happened you MIGHT be able to keep it level (and it seems they did for a bit) but eventually airspeed drops, it tips, and cartwheels (which is apparently what it did from the videos).

    • beerandt 20 minutes ago

      Deadweight or no-weight engine is a relatively negligible problem in terms of the weight-balance envelope.

      Cut fuel & hydraulic lines near that engine (that affect the other engines/ apus) (or less likely structural or aerodynamic problems) is what's going to shift this from "engine failure" recoverable problem to a global nonrecoverable one.

    • Modified3019 4 hours ago

      The aircraft hit the roof of a UPS warehouse, barely clearing it before coming down in the parking lot/junkyard nearby. So when we see it turning over in its last seconds (like the trucker dash cam video), it only had one wing at that point.

      • pfdietz 6 minutes ago

        I wonder what his heart rate was doing when he realized what was happening.

potato3732842 3 hours ago

>What is the difference?

Wanting to be in the air vs wanting to over-run the end of the runway.