Comment by cjrp

Comment by cjrp 4 hours ago

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The AVHerald is usually the best source for these things, rather than MSM: https://avherald.com/h?article=52f5748f&opt=0

> Ground observers reported the aircraft had been delayed for about two hours for work on the left hand engine (engine #1), the engine #1 separated during the takeoff run, the center engine emitted streaks of flames, the aircraft impacted a UPS warehouse and ploughed through other facilities before coming to rest in a large plume of fire and smoke.

mrb 3 hours ago

Oh woah, very insightful discussion thread you found there.

So the tl'dr is: the leading very preliminary theory is that the MD-11's left engine fell off the wing just like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191 (a DC-10, the immediate predecessor of the MD-11) which was caused by maintenance errors weakening the pylon structure holding the engine.

  • stevenjgarner an hour ago

    The parallels with AA Flight 191 are striking. In THAT accident it was found [1]:

    1) improper maintenance—American Airlines had used a forklift shortcut to remove the engine and pylon together, rather than following McDonnell Douglas’s prescribed method

    2) The detachment tore away part of the wing’s leading edge, rupturing hydraulic lines and severing electrical power to key systems, including the slat-position indicator and stall warning (stick shaker).

    3) The pilots followed the standard engine-out procedure and reduced airspeed to V₂, which caused the aircraft to stall and roll uncontrollably left. This procedure was later found out to be incorrect.

    Defective maintenance practices, inadequate oversight, vulnerabilities in DC-10 design, and unsafe training procedures combined to cause the crash, killing all 273 people on board and leading to sweeping reforms in airline maintenance and certification standards.

    [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6iU7Mmf330

  • rob74 3 hours ago

    This video from an aviation youtuber contains a picture of the engine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4q2ORhIQQc&t=526s (the video itself is also worth watching in full IMHO).

    What strikes me as odd is that this looks like the "naked" engine, without the cowling/nacelle that usually surrounds it? Anyway, if an engine departs the aircraft shortly after (last-minute) maintenance was performed on it, that's indeed suspicious...

    • actionfromafar 2 hours ago

      The cowling was probably easily torn off when the engine went full speed like a missile for a few seconds after detaching.

chaostheory 33 minutes ago

This is likely relevant

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance...

TDLR 10-20 years ago, the US started allowing maintenance of domestic planes in foreign countries, outside the reach of the FAA’s inspections

  • imglorp 13 minutes ago

    There's a lag time between such cost saving measures and piles of dead people.

    See also how FAA allowed Boeing to oversee its own certification for MAX.