Comment by Tarball10

If you link your bank, and approve direct debit (it’s just a popup with yes/later - very risky move), they will eventually withdraw from it when there are any issues. And most likely you’ll lose more disputes when your bank is linked - but no proof of this so take it with a grain of salt.

Plus they have a history of freezing people’s money for months on end for flimsy reasons.

> They are not a bank, they do not abide by banking regulations.

"In 2008, PayPal Europe was granted a Luxembourg banking license, which, under European Union (EU) law, allows it to conduct banking business throughout the EU.[173] It is therefore regulated as a bank by Luxembourg's banking supervisory authority" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal#Regulation

You're not wrong that they don't act like an honest bank, or abides by any sort of ethics about whose money it really is that they're holding onto... but know that they are regulated in case that ever helps you!

In europe, Paypal Sarl is a bank subject to bank regulations

> Link one bank account (not your primary) to PayPal to receive money, and transfer received money immediately.

Costs 1.5%. Or wait a few days.[1] Plus a fee for receiving cryptocurrency. There are additional fees for buying cryptocurrencies, other than PayPal's own. And none of this is FDIC insured.

[1] https://www.paypal.com/us/legalhub/paypal/pp-balance-tnc?loc...

I assume you can't use Crypto instead of the bank account link, you probably require both. Otherwise this might have some use as another blast radius reducer for Paypal's antics.

I switched to a hardly used checking account for paypal after they held $20 hostage for a couple months after selling an old video card on ebay. I'd heard some one say their bank account had become frozen by paypal during a dispute and that event reminded me of it enough to get some separation.

> They are not a bank, they do not abide by banking regulations.

In the US, this is true with some important caveats.

"If you have opened a PayPal Debit Card Mastercard® account, enrolled in Direct Deposit, or bought or received cryptocurrency with your personal PayPal Balance account, we will place your U.S. dollar PayPal Balance funds at one or more Program Banks. Any other balance funds and all cryptocurrencies are not held in FDIC insured bank deposits. Cryptocurrencies may lose value." [1]

[1]: https://www.paypal.com/us/legalhub/paypal/program-banks-tnc

Just treat it as your checking account; for anything substantial, move it to the self-custody

> They can lock you out of your account and your money at any time and leave you going in circles

All very true, but banks are doing exactly the same thing, all while following banking regulation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38150606

seriously. given how sellers and creators have had their accounts locked and sometimes not gotten their crap back. it would be unwise. if your going to buy crypto on paypal make sure they let you forward it to your own wallet.

This is all true, but are they actually any worse than any other crypto exchange? I just take it as a given that a crypto exchange can lock me out and steal my money at any time with no legal consequence, and so I try to keep as little money in them as possible. And at least PayPal is older and likely to have more senior engineers and fewer vibe coders, and thus be less likely to lose everything because of an elementary security error.

I always keep a few bucks on the PayPal card to forget about until the next time I don't have my card and I'm like, "oh shit I have enough for a beer on this bastard" and it's like a mini-Christmas.

The thing that gets me is the 40% cash back on Walmart purchases up to 500$. It's such an incredible incentive it has to be shady af. Are the Rand oligarchs trying to buy out the poor? We'll never know because poor people don't have PayPal accounts.

"A something-or-another big enough to give you everything you want is a something-or-another big enough to take from you everything you have." -Voltaire

What's the problem with debit cards?

What’s odd is that Germans LOVE using PayPal. The pseudo banking system that PayPal offers is apparently light years ahead of traditional banking in Deutscheland.

Why does their support being "offshore" matter at all? If they wanted to provide good, user-friendly customer support, they would, regardless of where the reps are?