JumpCrisscross 15 hours ago

No, for the same that stealing an item isn’t okay because there is more in the back.

  • ajross 13 hours ago

    Impact and harm is absolutely part of the criteria by which we judge crimes and penalties. Not sure where you're going with that.

    • JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago

      Of course harm matters. Stealing a priceless original is worse, and punished harder, than stealing a commodity out of a corner store. That doesn’t mean the latter is fine.

      • ajross 11 hours ago

        There's a spectrum between "not fine" and criminal prosecution!

        • JumpCrisscross 11 hours ago

          > a spectrum between "not fine" and criminal prosecution!

          And I’d say someone who premeditates a company wide shutdown, triggers it, and then doesn’t offer to help after its damage becomes clearly apparent crosses the line of criminal responsibility.

  • userbinator 15 hours ago

    You can infinitely "steal" digital data. That's where the analogy breaks down.

    Imaginary property is imaginary.

    • JumpCrisscross 14 hours ago

      > Imaginary property is imaginary

      Property, a social construct, is always imaginary. The ship on IP, from insider trading laws to copyright, has sailed. If the only argument against a potential crime is IP isn’t real, the person is probably wrong.

      • zarzavat 14 hours ago

        This is all very well but exactly what type of IP is CCTV footage? It's not copyrighted. It's not patented. It's not trademarked. ...trade secret?

      • userbinator 14 hours ago

        Stealing physical property deprives its original owner of it. The same can't be said of IP.

        • umanwizard 13 hours ago

          So what? That at most means they’re slightly different flavors of the abstraction we call “property”.

          And owning property — even physical property — entails having the right to prevent other people from using it, even in ways that don’t deprive you of it. You can’t drive my car without permission, even if you bring it back in perfect condition and I wasn’t planning on using it that day.