ajross 11 hours ago

Impact and harm is absolutely part of the criteria by which we judge crimes and penalties. Not sure where you're going with that.

  • JumpCrisscross 10 hours ago

    Of course harm matters. Stealing a priceless original is worse, and punished harder, than stealing a commodity out of a corner store. That doesn’t mean the latter is fine.

    • ajross 9 hours ago

      There's a spectrum between "not fine" and criminal prosecution!

      • JumpCrisscross 9 hours ago

        > a spectrum between "not fine" and criminal prosecution!

        And I’d say someone who premeditates a company wide shutdown, triggers it, and then doesn’t offer to help after its damage becomes clearly apparent crosses the line of criminal responsibility.

userbinator 12 hours ago

You can infinitely "steal" digital data. That's where the analogy breaks down.

Imaginary property is imaginary.

  • JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago

    > Imaginary property is imaginary

    Property, a social construct, is always imaginary. The ship on IP, from insider trading laws to copyright, has sailed. If the only argument against a potential crime is IP isn’t real, the person is probably wrong.

    • zarzavat 12 hours ago

      This is all very well but exactly what type of IP is CCTV footage? It's not copyrighted. It's not patented. It's not trademarked. ...trade secret?

      • fuckaj 11 hours ago

        Copyright

        • zarzavat 9 hours ago

          CCTV footage is not a creative work, it doesn't even have an author.

    • userbinator 12 hours ago

      Stealing physical property deprives its original owner of it. The same can't be said of IP.

      • umanwizard 11 hours ago

        So what? That at most means they’re slightly different flavors of the abstraction we call “property”.

        And owning property — even physical property — entails having the right to prevent other people from using it, even in ways that don’t deprive you of it. You can’t drive my car without permission, even if you bring it back in perfect condition and I wasn’t planning on using it that day.