Comment by abrookewood

Comment by abrookewood 3 days ago

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Yeah, I don't think you deserve the down votes for expressing an opinion (except maybe that it doesn't add a lot to the conversation), but speaking from personal experience, the whole AI coding thing has been pretty amazing for me.

I'm technical, I can read code (even write some of it), but actually completing things or getting started on serious projects is really hard: partly because I am not a professional develop (and so everything is hard) and partly because of time constraints. AI agents address both of these concerns very well and I've been able to produce things I wouldn't have thought possible. Are they ready for Prod? Maybe not, but at least they WORK and that's soo much more than anything I've managed in the past.

chickenzzzzu 3 days ago

I swear to you that if you program the way I do you (without any AI tools or even developer tools made after 2005) you will learn 100x more and achieve 100x more

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  • matwood 3 days ago

    Except you glossed over the part where the person said they lacked time.

    There is programming the art and programming to solve a problem. The art is great - I’ve written software for decades. Life dictates I no longer have as much time, but I still want to solve problems. AI helps me do that in the limited that I have.

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    • chickenzzzzu 3 days ago

      The fatal flaw in your theory is that Docker, Claude, and whoever else will add an infinite amount of time spent debugging once you have a sufficiently complex problem, which is usually within 1-7 days of using it.

      Please explain to me how I'm wrong. in the event you don't want to hear how I'm right, I am forstalling that while waiting for your reply

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      • matwood 2 days ago

        This thread is full of examples of people using the tools successfully. I'm also not sure where you're getting the 1-7 days from.

        And someone who has the time may learn more by doing things without AI, but that's not what's being discussed. The person you originally responded to and I said we don't have the time.

        It's a bit like arguing that AI audiobooks shouldn't exist because they are worse than human read. That may or may not be true, but that's not the discussion. AI may be the only reason an audiobook exist at all for certain books. AI coding is often the same way where someone can build a lot more than they could prior, even if it's imperfect, it may still solve their problem.

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  • abrookewood 3 days ago

    I agree with you that I would learn more - without any doubt. But there is no way that the second part (the achievement) stacks up. Over the weekend, I deployed a .Net Core API application, developed on Ubuntu and deployed on Windows Server Core, that includes a detailed test suite, full swagger documentation and which works exactly as I had hoped. Up to that point, I had never touched .Net Core, nor Windows Server Core. There is literally no way I would have been able to do that without the assistance of AI agents. Maybe you could, but I couldn't.

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    • chickenzzzzu 2 days ago

      This is the fatal mistake you are making. What does the application in question do?

      Do not mistake the mix of technologies you have used with the problem the code solves. One is a meaningful thing to focus on, and the other is something that career underachievers have invented to keep their salaries.

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