Comment by jauntywundrkind

Comment by jauntywundrkind a day ago

35 replies

The application to drones seems most clear: beam drones some extra power as needed. Or continually!

I wonder how big that receiving apparatus is. Whether the receiver is gimballed, or whether the drone itself has to fly a heading to aim at the sender: TBD.

larodi 18 hours ago

And have a great opportunity to drill some holes in birds heads.

Sorry I really fail to recognise how beaming 1kw of excited particles is a safe thing to do just like this…

  • fleischhauf 10 hours ago

    if you are the military and you are using drones to win a war, I don't think birds are your primary concern tho

    • larodi 4 hours ago

      sure in that case everything goes, and is curious why has it not yet been done with... drones routing the laser or repeaters reinforcing it with every loop.

      i can't recall a scifi story promoting such system either.

    • cap11235 9 hours ago

      That's basically an ad that appears to defense companies. Raytheon engineers love going "pew pew motherfucker".

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  • ChocolateGod 17 hours ago

    It must not be safe to be out in the sun then.

    • ben_w 13 hours ago

      Density (and wavelength), rather than total power, is important.

      Sun's 1kW/m^2, and even then you shouldn't look directly at it, and being out in it all day without protection leads to sunburn.

    • nkrisc 12 hours ago

      It’s not, for an extended period of time. Now imagine it was collimated rather than diffuse.

      • kurble 11 hours ago

        That's the thing, sunlight is collimated. It only gets diffuse once it reflects of a diffuse surface.

        • nkrisc 10 hours ago

          Fair enough, poor choice of words on my part. What I meant was concentrated further (in terms of energy per area) than the typical concentration received at the surface of the Earth.

    • _Algernon_ 17 hours ago

      Last time I forgot sunscreen at a UV index of 10 my skin started peeling of after half an hour so...

    • vikramkr 9 hours ago

      So there's this thing called sunburn...

Havoc 10 hours ago

Seems like that has a high chance of frying sensors on sats flying behind the drone though

contrarian1234 14 hours ago

Why not just beam power down the optical fiber? Optical fiber is exceptionally clear and works in fog and rain

  • malfist 14 hours ago

    Fiber transmits light, not rf. To get power out of fiber optics you have to have a photovoltaic cell on the other side and there's a limit for how much those can produce with such a collaminated light source.

    Using fiber optics for power is like trying to make a solar panel generate electricity from a laser beam.

    • demod6 11 hours ago

      "trying to make a solar panel generate electricity from a laser beam" is literally what the article is about.

    • TeMPOraL 13 hours ago

      > Using fiber optics for power is like trying to make a solar panel generate electricity from a laser beam.

      Isn't that exactly what power beaming is, except typically with frequency range in microwaves instead of visible light?

      • malfist 11 hours ago

        > except typically with frequency range in microwaves instead of visible light

        That's a big freaking deal.

        • cap11235 9 hours ago

          eg, consider WiFi. They choose their bands carefully for wireless standards, and terahertz is pretty far from microwave GHz. I've never seen direct THz synthesis outside of partially-insane radar engineers.

    • contrarian1234 13 hours ago

      just have a tiny steam turbine equivalent...? (some thermoelectric generator) You don't really need to be efficient. You have fans to blow air and dissipate heat on the other end after all

      • 0_____0 13 hours ago

        You should do the first round of engineering calculations on this.

    • ben_w 13 hours ago

      I have no idea why this might be limited by the light source being collimated?

      I mean, you can get electricity from PV illuminated by a laser, and everything I've heard so far says it's easier than with sunlight because you can match the frequency of the laser to the band gap of the PV.

      • malfist 10 hours ago

        Sure, you absolutely can do it. But material science quickly becomes a major limit.

        For something 15% efficient like a high quality PV cell, for every 100 watts you want to be usable on the receiving side, the receiver has to bleed off 566 watts of heat. And that's 566 watts of waste heat that is highly concentrated.

        Consider a single residental power circuit. 12A maximum, 120v, that's 1440 watts at delivery. For PV power delivery via laser, that PV would need to dissipate 8 kilowatts of waste heat. One a very small surface

Traubenfuchs 17 hours ago

How about drones with a solar panel case? Would require a sunny day to work at all though.

Tiny nuclear reactor?

  • ben_w 13 hours ago

    On the scale that useful nuclear reactors operate, a "tiny nuclear reactor" is the size of a shipping container.

    Even a tiny RTG is in the same range as a dumbbell.

    • Traubenfuchs 12 hours ago

      While not reactors, how about nuclear batteries without heavy shielding?

      • ben_w 12 hours ago

        Nuclear batteries are a superset of RTGs.

        There are other kinds of nuclear battery, but the ones I've heard of outside labs, are extremely low power betavoltaics.