Comment by hermitcrab

The guy behind this (Paolo Fanciulli) is a hero.

Just the possibility of boulders that might destroy your very expensive dredge might be enough.

New money outcompeted old money in the economic ecosystem and new money doesn't have the same historical fear of the proletarian guillotine.

Ray Dalio is involved with Ocean research and education: https://www.daliophilanthropies.org/ocean/

They still exist. You just don’t hear about them in the news, because good news doesn’t sell ads.

> What happened to rich people who were all not evil?

Public opinion drove them crazy and turned them evil anyways.

The truth is that only the evil remain ultra-rich as the rest use their money in ways that depletes there fortunes.

How do you think billionaires became billionaires? How can you extract a billion dollars of wealth in your life time, or even several generations? Certainly not by creating value. Almost certainly by destroying something else, privatising the profits and socialising the losses. E.g. mining, commercial fishing. Etc.

We will never see billionairs act as a force for good because the current system only allows for evil to create such a level of private capital. I would go as far as to argue such wealth disparity is not natural and is only possible through severe perversion of the natural order.

Bill Gates promotes vaccination which is in some ways the opposite of "protecting nature".

> What happened to rich people who were all not evil?

probably the same thing that happened to dragons and unicorns :) can anything happen to something that has never existed?

In a terminally capitalistic age (or whatever we should call the last 30 years, we are actually "capitalistic" the same way the URSS was "communist" in the '80s) being rich and being ethical are mutually exclusive.

Found this:

"Technically, probably the hardest thing was trying to film bottom trawling because it's never been filmed before and we didn't know if it was possible. You have to film the wonder but you also have to film the destruction. Capturing that was absolutely essential and it took a lot of research to find some scientists planning bottom trawling experiments who decided that adding cameras would help their research and also help to share it with the world."

At:

https://www.arksen.com/blogs/news/ocean-with-david-attenboro...

But watch it anyway. Trawling should be banned.

Such weird behaviour considering it is the source of their livelihood.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

You can only control your actions.

Also taking the action of starting to organise some collective action is a good thing. But don't continue eating fish until everyone else agrees not to, because that becomes self-defeating.

This is organizing.

We're inviting you to join the collective of people who don't eat fish.

Our main activity is finding and encouraging others to not eat fish. If you'd like to organize more collective action, we will probably be interested!

But the baseline is actually inaction. First, do no harm.

That is a complete paradox because you not only cannot have collective organized action without individual ones but the previous is entirely composed of the latter.

why not both, if the point for both is to reach the same goal?

Exactly. The tragedy of the commons makes it so that individual action of eating the fish is the most rational move.

Mobilizing people to act irrationally is challenging unless they are forced to do it by law.

and that's why things like ikejime are needed. It instantly kills the fish and destroys its nervous system in the same way we do for cattle. It's absolutely unbelievable that it is not a common practice. And it also extends the quality of the fish and the duration for conservation.

I am a freshwater fisherman myself, and I do it on any fish I intend to keep, and release them very quickly otherwise.

Catching your own fish, and eating that, is fine. Even if everyone who could do that, caught the fish they intended to eat, the oceans would be fine.

It's the massive industrial trawlers that scoop up entire ecosystems that we need to stop.