Comment by coldtea
Comment by coldtea a day ago
Studio Ghibli is Miyazaki.
It goes with him. Maybe not as a business name, but as an ethos and artisty, yes.
Comment by coldtea a day ago
Studio Ghibli is Miyazaki.
It goes with him. Maybe not as a business name, but as an ethos and artisty, yes.
I'm the same vein, though, wasn't Disney essentially Walt (and Roy) as well? Disney (the animation studio) went through a nadir between the death of Roy in 1971 before the start of the "Disney Renaissance" with The Little Mermaid in 1989 brought them back to form. I see no reason that Studio Ghibli couldn't eventually find outsized success after the death of Miyazaki.
It did die with Walt. They walked back a lot of his plans for the parks. They don’t make movies like they made in his era any longer. It is all CGI and live action lately. And after a certain point you have to wonder if there has been a significant loss of institutional knowledge on how to make a lot of those old hand made animations.
Walt Disney died in 1966. There were less but still many notable traditionally animated films (or films which blended some modern technology with hand drawn cels) since then.
The Jungle Book - 1967
Little Mermaid - 1989
Beauty and the Beast - 1991
Aladdin - 1992
Lion King - 1994
It's likely more a question of what you grew up with. When I was a kid I remember heavily disliking many of the earliest Disney animated movies like Pinocchio/Dumbo/Bambi but I absolutely adored the animated Robin Hood, Sword in the Stone, etc.
Jungle Book - Walt Disney was involved with this, they started animating in 1965.
Rest of the films you mentioned - The Disney Renaissance the parent parent’s comment mentioned - starting with The Little Mermaid in 1989, and it seems generally accepted this lasted for 10 years?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle_Book_(1967_film)#...
> wonder if there has been a significant loss of institutional knowledge on how to make a lot of those old hand made animations
No need to wonder: there has been, and basically all Disney 2D animation, even what little they do for the cinema, is outsourced overseas.
Wasn't Cuphead done in the traditional hand-animated style, using many of the original techniques?
On the one hand, yes, but also consider that game animation is fundamentally different from cinematic animation. It often has to be modular and loopable, but that also means that much of it can be treated like anime's "sakuga" stock footage (high quality, because it's going to be seen a lot). Cuphead was also something of a passion project, and the studio insisted on studying and replicating the older techniques to the best of their ability.
Basically, reverse engineering that process is probably a more expensive undertaking than most studios are willing to take. Look also at the Cuphead animated series, which was animated like a modern production (sadly).
That's skipping 30 years of Disney history. The company certainly went into a creative slump after Walt died, but they got back into form with what is generally called the Disney renaissance[1] in the late 80s starting The Little Mermaid.
The Lion King is pretty much a flawless film. And that came out 28 years after Walt Disney died.
It's obviously not the same, but I totally disagree with "It did die with Walt". For example, I think Aladdin is one of the best movies of all time, period. Granted, a huge part of that is the genius of Robin Williams, but to create a film that has both parents and their kids doubled over in laughter is no easy feat. But it still had great animation, a great story, great songs, etc.
Robin Williams movies are in their own category. Disney doesn't get to take credit for his achievements IMHO.
Here's something i didn't know:
[producer and director] had written the role of the Genie for Robin Williams, but when met with resistance, created a reel of a Williams's stand-up animation of the Genie.
The directors asked Eric Goldberg, the Genie's supervising animator, to animate the character over one of Williams's old stand-up comedy routines to pitch the idea to the actor. The resulting test, in which Williams's stand-up about schizophrenia was translated to the Genie growing another head to argue with himself, made Williams "laugh his ass off", and convinced him to sign for the role.
Williams's appearance in Aladdin marked the beginning of a transition in animation to use celebrity voice actors rather than specifically trained voice actors
Miyazaki is not unique. Shinkai for example is part of a younger generation that does not fall behind and he has even been called the new Miyazaki (although he dismisses it). Talent per se does not die with a single person, especially not in a field with so many enthusiastic followers. And Ghibli in particular already has access to a lot of talent in other domains beyond writing and directing.
I like both Miyazaki and Shinkai, but they are really quite different both visually and thematically, and each unique in their own way.
Sure, it’s conceivable for Ghibli to be successful again with a new talented director, but it won’t be Miyazaki’s nor Takahata’s Ghibli anymore.
Gotta reference this amazing film essay (2015!) on Kon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz49vQwSoTE
Definitely! What amazing films he could have made in all these years. I'm not really an anime fan, but Miyazaki and Satoshi belong to my all-time favourites.
Shinkai is an one trick pony whose one and only plot is teenage longing and whose one and only visual language is coating everything in a shiny glittery glow so he can hide the emptiness of his movies under it. His works are nothing but one aesthetic remade and remastered over and over, but sadly plenty of people do not engage with works of art beyond their aesthetics and here we are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh, I'm going to say something which will rustle even more feathers than this!
Don Bluth was far superior to Miyazaki. Also, Miyazaki was a poor father and his kids movies sucked (i.e. tales of the earth sea) because he was basically forced into following in his dads footsteps.
Folks who are curious about the Le Guin angle on _Tales of Earthsea_ should read:
https://www.ursulakleguin.com/adaptation-tales-of-earthsea
It really is unfortunate that this went the way it did --- I'd dearly love for Earthsea to have a film version worthy of the fact that it was one of the first books to ask the question, "Can there be fantasy which is not a retelling of _The Lord of the Rings_?" and to answer with originality and a deep insight into what fantasy has to say about human nature.
I grew up with both Miyazaki and Bluth films.
I love Secret of NIMH, All Dogs Go To Heaven, etc. but let's not whitewash over history. He also did "A Troll in Central Park".
For every mediocre movie like Earthsea, there's also fantastic movies like Porco Rosso, Spirited Away, Naussica, etc - all of which I watched as a "kid".
They both had their highs and lows. Seems rather pointless to try and bench them against each other.
Even the "Bad" bluth films are excellent. Rock a doodle do is a solid 8.5+/10 and I straight up think critics who leave that film with a bad rating are deluded.
Porco Rosso literally reuses music, animations, etc from his other films. I enjoyed the film because a fascist pig cassanova was a fascinating premise - but it's very much derivative.
I bench them against one another because my partner is obsessed with Miyazaki and finds Bluth films to be mundane in comparison. Miyazaki has far more cultural capital today than bluth - which is absurd since more Americans grew up watching the land before time than they did watching anything Miyazaki made.
Definitely. Lots of Ghibli films (and anime in general) aren't really targeting an age demographic the way the west would.
Kiki's Delivery Service, Totoro, Castle in the Sky, Arrietty, etc. are all watchable at any age.
Even the more mature films like Princess Mononoke would be unlikely to garner more than a PG rating.
I do wonder why Hosoda isn't in the same conversation. His themes are sometimes a bit less... decisive than Miyazaki's, but the animation quality and passion for exploring intimate, interpersonal stories is there.
Edit: The downvote is a lot less helpful than an explanation.
No, you're right, he definitely belongs in the conversation. Wolf Children is on the same tier as the best Ghibli films. But to reach Miyazaki's level it's not enough to hit a home run, you have to do it at least four times in a row.
largely seems driven by a somewhat relentless case of perfectionism, like many renown artists
There are notable Studio Ghibli films that were not made by Miyazaki such as Grave of the Fireflies, The Tale of the Princess Kaguya and When Marnie was There.
All of those were in my opinion excellent films and similar in style to ones made by Miyazaki, and I think fans of Miyazaki's work will also enjoy them.