Comment by keernan

Comment by keernan a day ago

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I've suffered with social anxiety for a very long time. Thirty years ago a doctor prescribed a MAOI which immediately transformed me into a social butterfly (which in hindsight was a very difficult transition). This forever proved to me what the doctor had told me: it is all about chemical balance in the brain.

The problem, of course, was the danger. I could die within minutes if I ate fermented food without taking the antidote I always carried. Problem with that was the risk was almost the same if I took the antidote if it wasn't needed.

I therefore only stayed on the meds for maybe 6 months (during which time I went from 150lbs to 225lbs).

I've never found an alternative substitute. I've taken meds that help lessen the anxiety, but never found anything else that literally changed who I was (making me an incredibly social person).

PS: I think it was Nardil. I wasn't having any issues with depression. The doctor was specializing social anxiety and in particular in the use of Nardil to help. He also told me that the chemical balance in my brain indicated that, without Nardil, I would almost certainly become a hermit in my 70s. I'm 72 and his prognosis was spot on.

pogue a day ago

That's quite interesting. In my experience, I've suffered from severe anxiety and depression my entire adult life. I spent years working with a psychiatrist trying every SSRI on the market. None of them seemed to help in the slightest, until I asked to try Eldepryl (selegiline), an MAO-B. It helps greatly with depression, but hasn't helped with anxiety. An MAO-B has the advantage of not having any issue with tyramine (the cheese effect) that you're referring to.

I've never heard of Nardil, but I'll have to look into it.

  • bluefirebrand a day ago

    I am always cautious about offering any kind of medical suggestions online. Please take this with a grain of salt:

    I struggled with anxiety and depression, treated with anti-depressants and such

    After years of that, a doctor suggested I test for ADHD and I got medicated for that after the test was positive

    After being medicated for ADHD, I had much less anxiety and basically no depression. Turns out that both Anxiety and Depression are potentially comorbid with unmedicated ADHD

    It might be worth asking about. It could be that you need stimulants, not antidepressants

    • replwoacause 9 hours ago

      I hear this often and am curious about it, as someone with an ADHD-PI diagnosis who has taken nearly every med, ranging from Ritalin, Adderall, Vyvanse, Dexedrine, to Strattera and possibly others I can't recall over the past 20 years. I've never felt like any of them had any lasting effect on my anxiety or depression. They all give a temporary relief of some of these symptoms while the drug is in my system, but I always return to baseline, which results in a roller coaster effect. Strattera may have been the exception because its not a stimulant like the others but ultimately it didn't address issues with motivation so I stopped it. I would love something that successfully addressed ADHD+anxiety+depression. And yes, I exercise, get 8 hours of sleep on average, eat pretty good, and don't live a stressful live.

pdfernhout a day ago

Anxiety is not identical to depression, but consider: "The Chemical Imbalance Theory of Depression: Where Is It Going?" https://www.madinamerica.com/2020/02/chemical-imbalance-theo... "The spurious chemical imbalance theory of depression is arguably the most destructive thing that psychiatry has ever done. ..."

The placebo effect can be very real...

And self-fulfilling predictions by authority figures can also be powerful...

Lack of neurotransmitters being produced in the gut due to microbiome issues is maybe the closest to a real "imbalance" -- like with the original article. Example: "How Your Gut Health Affects Your Brain: The Mind-Altering Power of Your Microbiome" https://www.sciencenewstoday.org/how-your-gut-health-affects... "Your gut microbes can produce neurotransmitters like serotonin, dopamine, gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), and acetylcholine—all of which are crucial for brain function. In fact, more than 90% of the body’s serotonin is produced in the gut, not the brain. This has profound implications for mood and emotional health."

Lots more health and wellness ideas collected by me here: https://github.com/pdfernhout/High-Performance-Organizations...

Good luck finding things that work for you -- assuming you are not happy just the way you are. "I like you just the way you are" - Mr. Rodgers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPDTpqtmzPQ

basisword a day ago

You didn't mention therapy in your comment. Was this something you tried? Personally I've went from hermit > normally social thanks to CBT. It's very hard work, you need to find the right therapist, and you have to continually work on it but it gets easier.