Comment by jeroenhd

Comment by jeroenhd 6 days ago

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I have good experience with HP laptops. Not their 200 euro consumer trash (but honestly, anything marketed towards consumers is trash these days, from any vendor), but HP's ProBook and Zenbook line. Probook is more plastic fantastic, but the repairability was great. Zenbook got hot, but always remained quiet (until the Nvidia GPU kicked in, but that's on Nvidia). Driver support and UEFI update support were both excellent, both in terms of support duration and general stability.

I've also got one of their thunderbolt docks. The only downside I've found so far is that MAC address forwarding doesn't seem to work outside of HP laptops. Everything else works great on normal devices.

As long as you avoid their cheap crap, HP are fine. Unfortunately, they do sell cheap crap, and consumers love cheap computers (even though a second hand computer with better specs would serve them much longer). Every brand that sells cheap hardware has gained a reputation for being terrible. It's why Apple's laptops start at the price of "used car" and Google's Chromebooks start at "two tanks full of gas".

bradfa 6 days ago

I have an HP ENVY laptop that’s very nice. Amazingly good screen, takes SODIMM and M.2 NVMe, flips around as a 2-in-1, and is quite thin and light for a 15” laptop.

But omfg the HP website and product lineup are impossible to use and figure out! Dell does it better but is still too complex. Why are there so many product lines? How does a normal person figure out what to buy? HP has excellent engineering but horrible marketing and sales and it’s been this way for decades.

  • wpm 4 days ago

    I feel like this is every PC manufacturer except for maybe Framework. Lenovo, Dell, HP, Asus, MSI, their websites and product lines are all confusing piles.

    Apple has its problems and their store page is getting worse, but at least most of their product lines are easy to grok configure.

    I don’t need an MBA to know if it’s hard to buy something, people won’t be likely to.

mort96 5 days ago

MacBook Airs are marketed towards consumers, and they're certainly not trash, are they?

lotsofpulp 5 days ago

> It's why Apple's laptops start at the price of "used car" and Google's Chromebooks start at "two tanks full of gas".

“Used car” is a wild exaggeration. For many years, people have been able to buy MacBook Airs that overperform for 90% of consumers for $1,000 (sometimes even less). This device will last at least 7 years, if not 10.

https://www.costco.com/macbook-air.html?screen-size=13-in+13....