Comment by danieldk

Comment by danieldk 17 hours ago

6 replies

Honestly, the problem is, in most of the cities, people who drive almost never bike.

That's true, but you have to bootstrap it. People will also not bike if it's not safe or attractive to do. In the city I live in, the city center was pretty unsafe for pedestrians and cyclists until the end of the 70s. Two persistent politicians decided to pretty much ban cars from the city center [1], which led to a lot of protests. They persisted and in 1977 the switch was flipped on a single day. Nowadays everyone here is in favor of this and other cities have made the same change, because people realize now that a city center without cars is much nicer: you can walk around much more carelessly, the air is cleaner, etc. Also, it made biking far more attractive, because you can get from the outskirts of the city to some shop much faster by bike than by car.

Since then, the cycling network has been continuously optimized to be able to travel between different points in the city as possible as quickly as possible and with as few interactions with cars as possible. And there are other amenities like traffic light that increase priority for cyclists when it is raining (to encourage people to cycle even when it is raining).

The same is true outside the cities, where there is a dense cycling network, largely separated from car roads. Both for fast work <-> home routing and for recreational cycling. The latter is the so-called fietsknooppunten network that prefers nice routes through nature, etc. over short routes [2].

[1] Article in Dutch: https://www.aanpakringzuid.nl/actueel/nieuws/verhalen/straks... , Google translation: https://www-aanpakringzuid-nl.translate.goog/actueel/nieuws/...

[2] Fietsknooppunten: https://www.fietsknoop.nl/planner

TeMPOraL 13 hours ago

Here's an underappreciated problem with biking in cities: storage. Most people in cities live above ground[0], and buildings don't have dedicated bike storage. Bike theft is common, and is a unique crime in being simultaneously highly disrupting to the victim, trivial to pull off, and not big enough monetarily for the police to bother pursuing - so you can't really park on the street overnight like you'd do with a car; it's too risky. This means people end up storing bikes in their apartments. Bikes are heavy and unwieldy and full of pointy bits and hard edges; going up and down with them is super annoying, especially if you don't have a lift (or it isn't big enough to fit a bike).

Solve the storage problem, and a lot more people city dwellers owning a bike will start using it daily, and many of those who don't will buy one.

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[0] - Follows obviously from assuming most buildings have at least one floor.

  • mejutoco 12 hours ago

    Foldable (brompton for example) bikes, and owning a shitty bike are common solutions to this problem.

    • TeMPOraL 12 hours ago

      Shitty bikes are just as heavy, if not more, than good bikes.

  • tokioyoyo 12 hours ago

    All of this is just cultural cope. Bikes are stolen in Tokyo and Amsterdam as well. Tokyo space is incredibly limited. And etc.

    The problem is, biking is just not efficient compared to other transport modes in super majority of the cities in NA. There is no political appetite either. People just love their cars, and can’t be bothered to restructure their lives like my friends in Paris did.

    • TeMPOraL 11 hours ago

      FWIW, I'm writing from perspective of someone who lives and lived most of their life in Kraków, Poland - a city and culture that never been bike-hostile, and is increasingly bike-friendly. Despite owning a bike, I haven't rode much in the city since my university years, precisely because of the hassle of storing it and bringing it up and down 2-4 floors without a lift. I don't drive, I use public transit, walk, or rent e-scooters - and the latter is inferior to your own bike in every way except it's there and you don't have to carry it up and down the stairs.