Comment by Aeolun

Comment by Aeolun a day ago

5 replies

Hah, I was going to say that sounded needlessly heavy handed.

Then I checked what the Netherlands does and found that changing the constitution doesn’t merely require you to get a majority, it also requires you to survive at least one election and keep that (super)majority before you can even begin.

AndrewDavis a day ago

Even that sounds easy compared to my country. In Australia a constitutional change requires a referendum, with a double majority condition to pass. Specifically it requires the vote in over half the states to be in favour, in addition to the overall national vote in favour.

  • klardotsh 21 hours ago

    That described Dutch system also sounds relatively easy compared to the US model, which requires 2/3 votes in each chamber of Congress (meaning the people-based one and the land-based one), *then* 3/4 of the states (so another land-based check) have to ratify it.

    Functionally this means that in the modern political climate, the US Constitution is fully frozen with no hope of amendment really ever again.

    • JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago

      > this means that in the modern political climate, the US Constitution is fully frozen

      Would note that this is a very modern phenomenon, with Nixon having considered pushing for abolishing the electoral college in the 70s.

    • Aeolun 12 hours ago

      Yeah, I wasn’t clear enough. The first vote (before the election) requires a simple majority vote. The second vote (after the election) requires a 2/3 in favor vote in both houses.

      I’m not sure if that’s worse than 3/4 states since the Netherlands isn’t so politically localized.

beng-nl 16 hours ago

Please reboot your government for the changes to take effect.